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In reply to the discussion: Indian student murdered in Salford street attack (in UK, unprovoked attack) [View all]friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)90. Why not? Note how many terrorist attacks happened in 'civilized' Europe before WW1
No doubt the right had plenty of blood on their hands as, but to pretend they were alone is ahistorical
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_of_the_deed
* May 11, 1878 Max Hödel attempts to assassinate Kaiser Wilhelm I of Germany. His two attempts to shoot the monarch both fail, and he is apprehended and executed by beheading on August 15.
* August 4, 1878 Sergey Stepnyak-Kravchinsky stabs General Nikolai Mezentsov, head of the Tsar's secret police, to death in response to the execution of Ivan Kovalsky.
* February 1879 Grigori Goldenberg shoots Prince Dmitri Kropotkin, the Governor of Kharkov in the Russian Empire, to death.
* April 20, 1879 Alexander Soloviev attempts to assassinate Tsar Alexander II of Russia. The monarch spots the weapon in his hands and flees, but Soloviev still fires five shots, all of which miss. He is captured and hanged on May 28.
* February 17, 1880 Stepan Khalturin successfully blows up part of the Winter Palace in an attempt to assassinate Tsar Alexander II of Russia. Although the Tsar escaped unharmed, eight soldiers were killed and 45 wounded. Referring to the 1862 invention of dynamite, historian Benedict Anderson observes that "Nobels invention had now arrived politically." Khalturin was hanged on the orders of Alexander's son and successor, Tsar Alexander III, in 1882 after the assassination of a police official.
* March 1 (Julian calendar) 1881 Tsar Alexander II of Russia is killed in a bomb blast by Narodnaya Volya.
* July 23, 1892 Alexander Berkman tries to kill American industrialist Henry Clay Frick in retaliation for Frick's hiring of Pinkerton detectives to break up the Homestead Strike, resulting in the deaths of seven steelworkers. Although badly wounded, Frick survives, and Berkman is arrested and eventually sentenced to 22 years in prison.
* November 7, 1893 The Spanish anarchist Santiago Salvador throws two Orsini bombs into the orchestra pit of the Liceu Theater in Barcelona during the second act of the opera Guillaume Tell, killing some twenty people and injuring scores of others.
* December 9, 1893 Auguste Vaillant throws a nail bomb in the French National Assembly, killing nobody and injuring one. He is then sentenced to death and executed by the guillotine on February 4, 1894, shouting "Death to bourgeois society and long live anarchy!" (A mort la société bourgeoise et vive l'anarchie!). During his trial, Vaillant declared that he had not intended to kill anybody, but only to injure several deputies in retaliation against the execution of Ravachol, who had engaged himself in four bombings.
* February 12, 1894 Émile Henry, intending to avenge Auguste Vaillant, sets off a bomb in Café Terminus (a café near the Gare Saint-Lazare train station in Paris), killing one and injuring twenty. During his trial, when asked why he wanted to harm so many innocent people, he declared, "There is no innocent bourgeois." This act is one of the rare exceptions to the rule that propaganda of the deed targets only specific powerful individuals. Henry is convicted and executed by guillotine on May 21.
* June 24, 1894 Italian anarchist Sante Geronimo Caserio, seeking revenge for Auguste Vaillant and Émile Henry, stabs Sadi Carnot, the President of France, to death. Caserio is then executed by guillotine on August 15.
* November 3, 1896 In the Greek city of Patras, Dimitris Matsalis, an anarchist shoemaker, attacks banker Dionysios Fragkopoulos and merchant Andreas Kollas with a knife. Fragkopoulos is killed on the spot; Kollas is seriously wounded.
* August 8, 1897 Michele Angiolillo shoots Spanish Prime Minister Antonio Cánovas del Castillo dead at a thermal bath resort, seeking vengeance for the imprisonment and torture of alleged revolutionaries at the Montjuïc fortress. Angiolillo is executed by garotte on August 20.
* September 10, 1898 Luigi Lucheni stabs Empress Elisabeth, the consort of Emperor Franz Joseph I of Austria-Hungary, to death with a needle file in Geneva, Switzerland. Lucheni is sentenced to life in prison and eventually commits suicide in his cell.
* July 29, 1900 Gaetano Bresci shoots King Umberto I of Italy dead, seeking revenge for the Bava-Beccaris massacre in Milan. Due to the lack of capital punishment in Italy, Bresci is sentenced to penal servitude for life on Santo Stefano Island, where he is found dead less than a year later.
* April 23, 1902 Luigi Galleani speaks to striking silk workers at a factory in Paterson, New Jersey, urging all American workers to declare a general strike and overthrow U.S. capitalist society. Galleani, who was wounded in the face when police opened fire on the striking workers, was later indicted for inciting a riot. Galleani flees to Canada, where he was apprehended and returned to the USA by Canadian authorities.
* November 15, 1902 Gennaro Rubino attempts to murder King Leopold II of Belgium as he returns in a procession from a memorial service for his recently-deceased wife, Marie Henriette. All three of Rubino's shots miss the monarch's carriage, and he is quickly subdued by the crowd and taken into police custody. He is sentenced to life imprisonment and dies in prison in 1918.
* May 31, 1906 Catalan anarchist Mateu Morral tries to kill King Alfonso XIII of Spain and Princess Victoria Eugenie of Battenberg after their wedding by throwing a bomb into the wedding procession following the ceremony. The monarchs are unhurt, but some bystanders and horses are killed. Morral is apprehended two days later and commits suicide while being transferred to prison.
* February 1, 1908 Manuel Buíça and Alfredo Costa shoot to death King Carlos I of Portugal and his son, Crown Prince Luis Filipe, respectively, in the Lisbon Regicide. Both Buiça and Costa, who are both eventually shot dead by police officers, were sympathetic to a republican movement in Portugal that included anarchist elements.
* March 28, 1908 Anarchist Selig Cohen aka Selig Silverstein tries to throw a bomb in New York City's Union Square. A premature explosion kills a bystander named Ignatz Hildebrand and mortally wounds Cohen, who dies a month later. Several contemporary pictures taken after the explosion show the mortally wounded Silverstein with his victim next to him.
* November 14, 1909 Argentine anarchist militant Simón Radowitzky assassinates Buenos Aires chief of police, Lieutenant Ramón Falcón by a throwing a bomb at his carrige while Falcón was returning from a deceased fellow officer's funeral. The assassination prompted President Figueroa Alcorta to declare a state of siege and pass the Social Defense Law, which allowed the deportation of anarchist "agitators".
* September 14, 1911 Dmitri Bogrov shoots Russian prime minister Pyotr Stolypin at the Kiev Opera House in the presence of Tsar Nicholas II and two of his daughters, Grand Duchesses Olga and Tatiana. Stolypin dies four days later, and Bogrov is hanged on September 28.
* November 12, 1912 Anarchist Manuel Pardiñas shoots Spanish Prime Minister José Canalejas dead in front of a Madrid bookstore. Pardiñas then immediately turns the gun on himself and commits suicide.
* March 18, 1913 Alexandros Schinas shoots King George I of Greece dead while the monarch is on a walk near the White Tower in Thessaloniki. Schinas is captured and tortured; he commits suicide on May 6 by jumping out the window of the gendarmerie, although there is speculation that he could have been thrown to his death.
* July 4, 1914 - A bomb being prepared for use at John D. Rockefeller's home at Tarrytown, New York explodes prematurely, killing three anarchists.
* October 13 and November 14, 1914 - Galleanists - radical followers of Luigi Galleani - explode two bombs in New York City after police forcibly disperse a protest by anarchists and communists at John D. Rockefeller's home in Tarrytown.
* July 22, 1916 San Francisco Preparedness Day Bombing. 10 persons killed-40 injured.
* November 24, 1917 9 policemen in Milwaukee, Wisconsin killed when a time bomb left at a Catholic church by Galleanists was taken to a police station, where it exploded.
* April to June 1919 First Red Scare:
o April 28 The mayor of Seattle, Washington receives a Galleanist mail bomb (defused)
o April 29 servant of Senator Thomas W. Hardwick loses her hands and is burned by an exploding Galleanist mail bomb intended for the Senator.
o June 2 The Galleanist Carlo Valdinoci tries to blow up Washington DC Attorney Mitchell Palmer's house and blows himself up when his bomb explodes prematurely.
o June 3 New York City night watchman William Boehner killed by a Galleanist bomb placed at a judge's house.
* September 16, 1920. The Wall Street bombing kills 38 and wounds 400 in Manhattan's Financial District. Galleanists are believed responsible, particularly Mario Buda, the group's principal bombmaker, although the crime remains officially unsolved.
* March 8, 1921. Three anarchists shoot Conservative politician Eduardo Dato Iradier dead from a motorcycle in Puerta de Alcalá, Madrid.
* 1922. Gustave Bouvet attempts to kill French president Alexandre Millerand.
* 1926. Sholom Schwartzbard assassinates Symon Petliura, head of the government-in-exile Ukrainian People's Republic, in Paris. After an eight-day trial, he is acquitted by the jury, who has been convinced of Schwartzbard's just cause: the core of his defence was that he was avenging the deaths of victims of pogroms organized by Symon Petlura.
* 19261928. Several bombings in Argentina organized by the Italian anarchist Severino Di Giovanni, in the frame of the international campaign supporting Sacco and Vanzetti and against Fascist Italy's interests in Argentina. Bombings of the US embassy, of the headquarters of the Citybank and Bank of Boston in Buenos Aires, and of the Italian consulate on May 23, 1928.
* September 27, 1932. A dynamite-filled package bomb left by Galleanists destroyed Judge Webster Thayer's home in Worcester, Massachusetts, injuring his wife and a housekeeper.Judge Thayer had presided over the trials of Galleanist members Sacco and Vanzetti.
* August 4, 1878 Sergey Stepnyak-Kravchinsky stabs General Nikolai Mezentsov, head of the Tsar's secret police, to death in response to the execution of Ivan Kovalsky.
* February 1879 Grigori Goldenberg shoots Prince Dmitri Kropotkin, the Governor of Kharkov in the Russian Empire, to death.
* April 20, 1879 Alexander Soloviev attempts to assassinate Tsar Alexander II of Russia. The monarch spots the weapon in his hands and flees, but Soloviev still fires five shots, all of which miss. He is captured and hanged on May 28.
* February 17, 1880 Stepan Khalturin successfully blows up part of the Winter Palace in an attempt to assassinate Tsar Alexander II of Russia. Although the Tsar escaped unharmed, eight soldiers were killed and 45 wounded. Referring to the 1862 invention of dynamite, historian Benedict Anderson observes that "Nobels invention had now arrived politically." Khalturin was hanged on the orders of Alexander's son and successor, Tsar Alexander III, in 1882 after the assassination of a police official.
* March 1 (Julian calendar) 1881 Tsar Alexander II of Russia is killed in a bomb blast by Narodnaya Volya.
* July 23, 1892 Alexander Berkman tries to kill American industrialist Henry Clay Frick in retaliation for Frick's hiring of Pinkerton detectives to break up the Homestead Strike, resulting in the deaths of seven steelworkers. Although badly wounded, Frick survives, and Berkman is arrested and eventually sentenced to 22 years in prison.
* November 7, 1893 The Spanish anarchist Santiago Salvador throws two Orsini bombs into the orchestra pit of the Liceu Theater in Barcelona during the second act of the opera Guillaume Tell, killing some twenty people and injuring scores of others.
* December 9, 1893 Auguste Vaillant throws a nail bomb in the French National Assembly, killing nobody and injuring one. He is then sentenced to death and executed by the guillotine on February 4, 1894, shouting "Death to bourgeois society and long live anarchy!" (A mort la société bourgeoise et vive l'anarchie!). During his trial, Vaillant declared that he had not intended to kill anybody, but only to injure several deputies in retaliation against the execution of Ravachol, who had engaged himself in four bombings.
* February 12, 1894 Émile Henry, intending to avenge Auguste Vaillant, sets off a bomb in Café Terminus (a café near the Gare Saint-Lazare train station in Paris), killing one and injuring twenty. During his trial, when asked why he wanted to harm so many innocent people, he declared, "There is no innocent bourgeois." This act is one of the rare exceptions to the rule that propaganda of the deed targets only specific powerful individuals. Henry is convicted and executed by guillotine on May 21.
* June 24, 1894 Italian anarchist Sante Geronimo Caserio, seeking revenge for Auguste Vaillant and Émile Henry, stabs Sadi Carnot, the President of France, to death. Caserio is then executed by guillotine on August 15.
* November 3, 1896 In the Greek city of Patras, Dimitris Matsalis, an anarchist shoemaker, attacks banker Dionysios Fragkopoulos and merchant Andreas Kollas with a knife. Fragkopoulos is killed on the spot; Kollas is seriously wounded.
* August 8, 1897 Michele Angiolillo shoots Spanish Prime Minister Antonio Cánovas del Castillo dead at a thermal bath resort, seeking vengeance for the imprisonment and torture of alleged revolutionaries at the Montjuïc fortress. Angiolillo is executed by garotte on August 20.
* September 10, 1898 Luigi Lucheni stabs Empress Elisabeth, the consort of Emperor Franz Joseph I of Austria-Hungary, to death with a needle file in Geneva, Switzerland. Lucheni is sentenced to life in prison and eventually commits suicide in his cell.
* July 29, 1900 Gaetano Bresci shoots King Umberto I of Italy dead, seeking revenge for the Bava-Beccaris massacre in Milan. Due to the lack of capital punishment in Italy, Bresci is sentenced to penal servitude for life on Santo Stefano Island, where he is found dead less than a year later.
* April 23, 1902 Luigi Galleani speaks to striking silk workers at a factory in Paterson, New Jersey, urging all American workers to declare a general strike and overthrow U.S. capitalist society. Galleani, who was wounded in the face when police opened fire on the striking workers, was later indicted for inciting a riot. Galleani flees to Canada, where he was apprehended and returned to the USA by Canadian authorities.
* November 15, 1902 Gennaro Rubino attempts to murder King Leopold II of Belgium as he returns in a procession from a memorial service for his recently-deceased wife, Marie Henriette. All three of Rubino's shots miss the monarch's carriage, and he is quickly subdued by the crowd and taken into police custody. He is sentenced to life imprisonment and dies in prison in 1918.
* May 31, 1906 Catalan anarchist Mateu Morral tries to kill King Alfonso XIII of Spain and Princess Victoria Eugenie of Battenberg after their wedding by throwing a bomb into the wedding procession following the ceremony. The monarchs are unhurt, but some bystanders and horses are killed. Morral is apprehended two days later and commits suicide while being transferred to prison.
* February 1, 1908 Manuel Buíça and Alfredo Costa shoot to death King Carlos I of Portugal and his son, Crown Prince Luis Filipe, respectively, in the Lisbon Regicide. Both Buiça and Costa, who are both eventually shot dead by police officers, were sympathetic to a republican movement in Portugal that included anarchist elements.
* March 28, 1908 Anarchist Selig Cohen aka Selig Silverstein tries to throw a bomb in New York City's Union Square. A premature explosion kills a bystander named Ignatz Hildebrand and mortally wounds Cohen, who dies a month later. Several contemporary pictures taken after the explosion show the mortally wounded Silverstein with his victim next to him.
* November 14, 1909 Argentine anarchist militant Simón Radowitzky assassinates Buenos Aires chief of police, Lieutenant Ramón Falcón by a throwing a bomb at his carrige while Falcón was returning from a deceased fellow officer's funeral. The assassination prompted President Figueroa Alcorta to declare a state of siege and pass the Social Defense Law, which allowed the deportation of anarchist "agitators".
* September 14, 1911 Dmitri Bogrov shoots Russian prime minister Pyotr Stolypin at the Kiev Opera House in the presence of Tsar Nicholas II and two of his daughters, Grand Duchesses Olga and Tatiana. Stolypin dies four days later, and Bogrov is hanged on September 28.
* November 12, 1912 Anarchist Manuel Pardiñas shoots Spanish Prime Minister José Canalejas dead in front of a Madrid bookstore. Pardiñas then immediately turns the gun on himself and commits suicide.
* March 18, 1913 Alexandros Schinas shoots King George I of Greece dead while the monarch is on a walk near the White Tower in Thessaloniki. Schinas is captured and tortured; he commits suicide on May 6 by jumping out the window of the gendarmerie, although there is speculation that he could have been thrown to his death.
* July 4, 1914 - A bomb being prepared for use at John D. Rockefeller's home at Tarrytown, New York explodes prematurely, killing three anarchists.
* October 13 and November 14, 1914 - Galleanists - radical followers of Luigi Galleani - explode two bombs in New York City after police forcibly disperse a protest by anarchists and communists at John D. Rockefeller's home in Tarrytown.
* July 22, 1916 San Francisco Preparedness Day Bombing. 10 persons killed-40 injured.
* November 24, 1917 9 policemen in Milwaukee, Wisconsin killed when a time bomb left at a Catholic church by Galleanists was taken to a police station, where it exploded.
* April to June 1919 First Red Scare:
o April 28 The mayor of Seattle, Washington receives a Galleanist mail bomb (defused)
o April 29 servant of Senator Thomas W. Hardwick loses her hands and is burned by an exploding Galleanist mail bomb intended for the Senator.
o June 2 The Galleanist Carlo Valdinoci tries to blow up Washington DC Attorney Mitchell Palmer's house and blows himself up when his bomb explodes prematurely.
o June 3 New York City night watchman William Boehner killed by a Galleanist bomb placed at a judge's house.
* September 16, 1920. The Wall Street bombing kills 38 and wounds 400 in Manhattan's Financial District. Galleanists are believed responsible, particularly Mario Buda, the group's principal bombmaker, although the crime remains officially unsolved.
* March 8, 1921. Three anarchists shoot Conservative politician Eduardo Dato Iradier dead from a motorcycle in Puerta de Alcalá, Madrid.
* 1922. Gustave Bouvet attempts to kill French president Alexandre Millerand.
* 1926. Sholom Schwartzbard assassinates Symon Petliura, head of the government-in-exile Ukrainian People's Republic, in Paris. After an eight-day trial, he is acquitted by the jury, who has been convinced of Schwartzbard's just cause: the core of his defence was that he was avenging the deaths of victims of pogroms organized by Symon Petlura.
* 19261928. Several bombings in Argentina organized by the Italian anarchist Severino Di Giovanni, in the frame of the international campaign supporting Sacco and Vanzetti and against Fascist Italy's interests in Argentina. Bombings of the US embassy, of the headquarters of the Citybank and Bank of Boston in Buenos Aires, and of the Italian consulate on May 23, 1928.
* September 27, 1932. A dynamite-filled package bomb left by Galleanists destroyed Judge Webster Thayer's home in Worcester, Massachusetts, injuring his wife and a housekeeper.Judge Thayer had presided over the trials of Galleanist members Sacco and Vanzetti.
McVeigh liked guns for the same reason John Dillinger liked V8 Fords- they were useful for his purposes.
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Indian student murdered in Salford street attack (in UK, unprovoked attack) [View all]
alp227
Dec 2011
OP
Doesn't happen often. Brits don't want guns. No NRA blowing smoke. People live without them.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#1
Thank God for ATF plants at Aryan Nation get-togethers. Weaver and anyone like him is a terrorist.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#17
I suppose you've never fucked up. I hope they keep the pressure on the Weaver type gunners.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#23
'Entrapment?" -- ATF approaches Weaver at racist Ayran Nation meeting and Weaver agrees to supply
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#24
Gun culture will be defending Koresh shortly. Even though he had 51 days to surrender after killing
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#28
It's unfair to mention the fact he didn't use guns for his terrorism.
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#36
Why not? We could also point out that they use computers to communicate with each other.
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#51
Can we blame "the gun culture" for the Weather Underground as well?
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2012
#88
Why not? Note how many terrorist attacks happened in 'civilized' Europe before WW1
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2012
#90
Who said Weaver, a racist -- living in a compound -- would not normally do that? LMAO
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#33
Yes, even though they don't give due process and Weaver was supplier of executioner's weapon.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#55
What "executioner's weapon" was that? Short-barrelled shotguns are legal.
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#56
I guess you can't see difference between a member of Ayran Nation (Weaver) and political opinion?
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#25
By golly if you go to Ayran Nation "events", you are a member, sympathizer, racist, and worse.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#66
I know, Weaver is one of the upstanding gun owners the "gun culture" likes to tout.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#67
Didn't read past "insulate yourself from its underclass" BS. Sounds like British TBaggery to me.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#9
If so, nothing came of it. Nothing's been hidden since January 2 n/t
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2012
#81
Unfortuiantely I don't have a list of all the witers who have views oppose yours...
spin
Jan 2012
#93
Gunner = short for member of "gun culture" = euphemism for "guns on the brain" and in waistband to
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#32
Fear in this context = having to strap a gun or two on before venturing out in public.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#68
The Swiss? You mean the Swiss who have more than two million guns in their homes?
TheWraith
Jan 2012
#86
Everyone in the UK knows that guns kill people...danger danger gunz are bad! The UK needs a gun ban.
ileus
Dec 2011
#7
Apparently Scalia's opinions are abhorrent- unless he agrees with them....
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#52