Gun Control & RKBA

holdencaufield

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Reply to jmg257 (Reply #14)

Mon Mar 4, 2013, 10:15 PM

Mar 2013

I just took delivery of two new AR's and a buttload of 5.56.

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If the assault weapons ban passes, should we confiscate all AWs in American homes? [View all] Nasty Jack Mar 2013 OP

low estimate gejohnston Mar 2013 #1

No, just regulate how those who now own them can legally transfer them to others. JoePhilly Mar 2013 #2

Read the Commerce Clause. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #7

I think you misread that. JoePhilly Mar 2013 #78

are you sure there isn't state regulation within the state? gejohnston Mar 2013 #79

Unless I'm mistaken LibertyFox Mar 2013 #116

Not worth the social disruption. N/T GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #3

Oh definitely. discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2013 #4

So, the last ban resulted in the number of "AWs" more than doubling? slackmaster Mar 2013 #5

Glad I don't own any assault weapons, only defensive firearms. ileus Mar 2013 #6

First they come for the assault weapons, then they come for the handguns .... (n/t) spin Mar 2013 #11

Some do not deserve the privilege of possessing weapons of any kind. Thinkingabout Mar 2013 #56

The discussion was about confiscating all assault weapons. ... spin Mar 2013 #69

It isn't a privilege, it is a right. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #85

A right unless it has been revoked such as being a felon or listed as unstable mentally. As I have Thinkingabout Mar 2013 #111

Insurance. Would that be insurance on the weapon, or the owner? oneshooter Mar 2013 #117

who is we? I am the eggman. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2013 #8

Yes. IF a new AWB passed, it seems silly to not do anything about the jmg257 Mar 2013 #9

hint... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2013 #13

FORTY million assault weapons?!? Shit - what are we waiting for!? nt jmg257 Mar 2013 #14

So, if there are ten times more than you expected, Glaug-Eldare Mar 2013 #15

Sure! discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2013 #17

Sure...more guns in circulation means more gun related deaths...simple logic. jmg257 Mar 2013 #18

They are probably too busy worrying about ... holdencaufield Mar 2013 #20

Maybe...those seem to get their share of attention often enough. jmg257 Mar 2013 #23

Agreed holdencaufield Mar 2013 #29

3 days?? But I'm dirty now! jmg257 Mar 2013 #31

Yet deaths due to rifles keep falling hack89 Mar 2013 #36

Rifle related deaths are comparatively pretty low. Unfortunately jmg257 Mar 2013 #37

Handguns are just as dangerous hack89 Mar 2013 #38

You did see that part about mag limits vs handguns right? jmg257 Mar 2013 #41

How many victims were there Jenoch Mar 2013 #59

Not sure...or how much it matters. jmg257 Mar 2013 #64

It matters Jenoch Mar 2013 #68

Yeah..because an AR with a 100 round mag is just a plaything. jmg257 Mar 2013 #70

What's your point? Jenoch Mar 2013 #72

You can't tell my point yet?? Yes, I know you are not emotional about it. jmg257 Mar 2013 #76

Of course it was a bad thing to Jenoch Mar 2013 #88

Actually, *I'M* not attempting to outlaw anything. We're talking AWs cause this thread is about AWs. jmg257 Mar 2013 #89

You have used the word 'banned' several times. Jenoch Mar 2013 #90

Of course I used the word 'banned' and 'confiscate'. That is the subject of this thread. jmg257 Mar 2013 #92

Do you have an opinion Jenoch Mar 2013 #96

Not really. I'll give it some thought... jmg257 Mar 2013 #97

I don't think a tax credit would pass 5A gejohnston Mar 2013 #100

Noted. And an AWB might meet 2A definition of an infringement. jmg257 Mar 2013 #103

it just may gejohnston Mar 2013 #104

Certainly could. If he had only been carrying a BAR, the NFA would been found to be unconstitutional jmg257 Mar 2013 #107

Real mass killings are NEVER done with firearms slackmaster Mar 2013 #40

Yep..and plenty of regulations were passed to deal with those types of massacres too. jmg257 Mar 2013 #42

An "AW" ban would not be effective at stopping mass killings, or even mass shootings. slackmaster Mar 2013 #44

So we are told. And especially if it doesn't deal with those already jmg257 Mar 2013 #45

"AW gun related deaths" Care to put a number on that? hack89 Mar 2013 #81

Not really. No sure way to predict what the future may bring as the numbers in circ climb. nt jmg257 Mar 2013 #82

History tells us that it is more likely that the numbers will decline hack89 Mar 2013 #83

Not so sure in this case, as the numbers of AWs have really only been increasing substantially jmg257 Mar 2013 #84

The big surge in sales came in the mid-1990s hack89 Mar 2013 #87

Only 800,000 produced in 1994? People here were saying there may be as many as 40mil in jmg257 Mar 2013 #91

The point being is that we have seen a steady drop in deaths hack89 Mar 2013 #94

Thanks for the info. Not sure if you have seen this... jmg257 Mar 2013 #106

I think there are more effective, less destructive ways to accomplish that. Glaug-Eldare Mar 2013 #47

There are indeed other partial solutions to the problems being addressed. jmg257 Mar 2013 #49

Gun control shouldn't be a part of it at all. Glaug-Eldare Mar 2013 #73

simplistic logic gejohnston Mar 2013 #50

Gun murders remain fairly steady*. If there were substantially less guns, there would jmg257 Mar 2013 #53

depends on who has the guns gejohnston Mar 2013 #60

The rate goes down because the population is also going up. hack89 Mar 2013 #95

I've heard of this "more guns in circulation means more gun related deaths." Have any studies? Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #109

Not on me. nt jmg257 Mar 2013 #110

IIRC.... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2013 #16

We... As in "We the people". All that 'citizens of the US of A' stuff. jmg257 Mar 2013 #19

Well don't on my account. discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2013 #21

Ha..no problem...we get to go along for the ride - either way. jmg257 Mar 2013 #22

You keep saying we. discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2013 #24

Why not - you planning on leaving the US anytime soon? jmg257 Mar 2013 #25

Well... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2013 #26

Ahhh..close enough! jmg257 Mar 2013 #27

About 20 years ago I read that... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2013 #28

BTW..most bans I read the SKS is not an AW..atleast not those with a fixed mag. nt jmg257 Mar 2013 #39

Some standards incorporate... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2013 #48

Hmmm..interesting take on it. Will look closer. nt jmg257 Mar 2013 #51

I could be entirely wrong but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2013 #55

I always look for the 'detachable' magazine part. Particularly surprised with jmg257 Mar 2013 #58

40,000,002 holdencaufield Mar 2013 #32

Sweet...did you get all hot over that buttload? jmg257 Mar 2013 #34

Oh please, please, please do rrneck Mar 2013 #10

Good luck. Glaug-Eldare Mar 2013 #12

There are far better ways to spend money to reduce gun violence than a gun buy back program. ... spin Mar 2013 #30

Just how is that going to be accomplished without totalitarianism? Warpy Mar 2013 #33

Two things Android3.14 Mar 2013 #35

What's an "assault weapon"? Straw Man Mar 2013 #43

How about a Mini-14 with a flash hider? Does that count? rdharma Mar 2013 #57

I don't see a flash hider on that one. Straw Man Mar 2013 #61

The "tactical" version of the Mini-14 tularetom Mar 2013 #66

But it has several other ... Straw Man Mar 2013 #67

No flash suppressor. rdharma Mar 2013 #71

50% of American households had guns in 1977. That number has declined steadly since then... Walk away Mar 2013 #46

actually no gejohnston Mar 2013 #52

I would never prepare for "Revolution" ... holdencaufield Mar 2013 #65

It won't pass so why banter on about it. Way it sounds, scant little is going to pass out of the Purveyor Mar 2013 #54

Yeah...Good luck with that Gold_from_lead Mar 2013 #62

It won't and we shouldn't tularetom Mar 2013 #63

Yep. Glaug-Eldare Mar 2013 #75

NO! guardian Mar 2013 #74

There is no political will or capital to pay for this. iiibbb Mar 2013 #77

no, don't confiscate 'em...... lastlib Mar 2013 #80

As my Chinese former co-worker once quipped, a left jack-boot up your ass feels no better... slackmaster Mar 2013 #86

I'm sorry........ lastlib Mar 2013 #98

says a self-described "lib" who advocates public execution for a victimless malum prohibitum crime slackmaster Mar 2013 #99

Not a bit surprising; gun Prohibitionists have been letting their crypto-fascist flag fly lately: friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #105

And yours never existed. Clames Mar 2013 #112

Well, since you're so squeamish, we'll settle for public castration....... lastlib Mar 2013 #114

Another obvious answer from you. Clames Mar 2013 #115

Gun ownership = Lower crime FamilyMan Mar 2013 #93

Nice try but the question is ban "Assault weapon" not..... yourout Mar 2013 #102

Not so sure so many people are under that false pretense at all. jmg257 Mar 2013 #108

Should we?....yes. Will we?....not a chance. yourout Mar 2013 #101

I think we should take them from the criminals, and leave law abiding Skip Intro Mar 2013 #113