Gun Control & RKBA

jmg257

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89. Actually, *I'M* not attempting to outlaw anything. We're talking AWs cause this thread is about AWs.

Tue Mar 5, 2013, 01:55 PM

Mar 2013

and based on the OP - whether they should be confiscated if banned.

Once again, I think they should be. And IF certain shotguns are banned, it makes sense to confiscate those too. And if certain mags are banned, makes sense for those too. Otherwise the laws will be less effective then they could be...maybe MUCH less effective because of the numbers alreadyin circulation and readily available.

ETA: A mass murderer who legally aquired an M&P AR and a 100 rnd mag so he coudl shoot up a theater is a GREAT example for why they should be banned/confiscated. It REALLY doesn't matter that while actually involved in using the assault weapon and hi-cap mag the gun (luckily) jammed or not. A lot of people got lucky - many didn't.

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If the assault weapons ban passes, should we confiscate all AWs in American homes? [View all] Nasty Jack Mar 2013 OP

low estimate gejohnston Mar 2013 #1

No, just regulate how those who now own them can legally transfer them to others. JoePhilly Mar 2013 #2

Read the Commerce Clause. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #7

I think you misread that. JoePhilly Mar 2013 #78

are you sure there isn't state regulation within the state? gejohnston Mar 2013 #79

Unless I'm mistaken LibertyFox Mar 2013 #116

Not worth the social disruption. N/T GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #3

Oh definitely. discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2013 #4

So, the last ban resulted in the number of "AWs" more than doubling? slackmaster Mar 2013 #5

Glad I don't own any assault weapons, only defensive firearms. ileus Mar 2013 #6

First they come for the assault weapons, then they come for the handguns .... (n/t) spin Mar 2013 #11

Some do not deserve the privilege of possessing weapons of any kind. Thinkingabout Mar 2013 #56

The discussion was about confiscating all assault weapons. ... spin Mar 2013 #69

It isn't a privilege, it is a right. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #85

A right unless it has been revoked such as being a felon or listed as unstable mentally. As I have Thinkingabout Mar 2013 #111

Insurance. Would that be insurance on the weapon, or the owner? oneshooter Mar 2013 #117

who is we? I am the eggman. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2013 #8

Yes. IF a new AWB passed, it seems silly to not do anything about the jmg257 Mar 2013 #9

hint... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2013 #13

FORTY million assault weapons?!? Shit - what are we waiting for!? nt jmg257 Mar 2013 #14

So, if there are ten times more than you expected, Glaug-Eldare Mar 2013 #15

Sure! discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2013 #17

Sure...more guns in circulation means more gun related deaths...simple logic. jmg257 Mar 2013 #18

They are probably too busy worrying about ... holdencaufield Mar 2013 #20

Maybe...those seem to get their share of attention often enough. jmg257 Mar 2013 #23

Agreed holdencaufield Mar 2013 #29

3 days?? But I'm dirty now! jmg257 Mar 2013 #31

Yet deaths due to rifles keep falling hack89 Mar 2013 #36

Rifle related deaths are comparatively pretty low. Unfortunately jmg257 Mar 2013 #37

Handguns are just as dangerous hack89 Mar 2013 #38

You did see that part about mag limits vs handguns right? jmg257 Mar 2013 #41

How many victims were there Jenoch Mar 2013 #59

Not sure...or how much it matters. jmg257 Mar 2013 #64

It matters Jenoch Mar 2013 #68

Yeah..because an AR with a 100 round mag is just a plaything. jmg257 Mar 2013 #70

What's your point? Jenoch Mar 2013 #72

You can't tell my point yet?? Yes, I know you are not emotional about it. jmg257 Mar 2013 #76

Of course it was a bad thing to Jenoch Mar 2013 #88

Actually, *I'M* not attempting to outlaw anything. We're talking AWs cause this thread is about AWs. jmg257 Mar 2013 #89

You have used the word 'banned' several times. Jenoch Mar 2013 #90

Of course I used the word 'banned' and 'confiscate'. That is the subject of this thread. jmg257 Mar 2013 #92

Do you have an opinion Jenoch Mar 2013 #96

Not really. I'll give it some thought... jmg257 Mar 2013 #97

I don't think a tax credit would pass 5A gejohnston Mar 2013 #100

Noted. And an AWB might meet 2A definition of an infringement. jmg257 Mar 2013 #103

it just may gejohnston Mar 2013 #104

Certainly could. If he had only been carrying a BAR, the NFA would been found to be unconstitutional jmg257 Mar 2013 #107

Real mass killings are NEVER done with firearms slackmaster Mar 2013 #40

Yep..and plenty of regulations were passed to deal with those types of massacres too. jmg257 Mar 2013 #42

An "AW" ban would not be effective at stopping mass killings, or even mass shootings. slackmaster Mar 2013 #44

So we are told. And especially if it doesn't deal with those already jmg257 Mar 2013 #45

"AW gun related deaths" Care to put a number on that? hack89 Mar 2013 #81

Not really. No sure way to predict what the future may bring as the numbers in circ climb. nt jmg257 Mar 2013 #82

History tells us that it is more likely that the numbers will decline hack89 Mar 2013 #83

Not so sure in this case, as the numbers of AWs have really only been increasing substantially jmg257 Mar 2013 #84

The big surge in sales came in the mid-1990s hack89 Mar 2013 #87

Only 800,000 produced in 1994? People here were saying there may be as many as 40mil in jmg257 Mar 2013 #91

The point being is that we have seen a steady drop in deaths hack89 Mar 2013 #94

Thanks for the info. Not sure if you have seen this... jmg257 Mar 2013 #106

I think there are more effective, less destructive ways to accomplish that. Glaug-Eldare Mar 2013 #47

There are indeed other partial solutions to the problems being addressed. jmg257 Mar 2013 #49

Gun control shouldn't be a part of it at all. Glaug-Eldare Mar 2013 #73

simplistic logic gejohnston Mar 2013 #50

Gun murders remain fairly steady*. If there were substantially less guns, there would jmg257 Mar 2013 #53

depends on who has the guns gejohnston Mar 2013 #60

The rate goes down because the population is also going up. hack89 Mar 2013 #95

I've heard of this "more guns in circulation means more gun related deaths." Have any studies? Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #109

Not on me. nt jmg257 Mar 2013 #110

IIRC.... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2013 #16

We... As in "We the people". All that 'citizens of the US of A' stuff. jmg257 Mar 2013 #19

Well don't on my account. discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2013 #21

Ha..no problem...we get to go along for the ride - either way. jmg257 Mar 2013 #22

You keep saying we. discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2013 #24

Why not - you planning on leaving the US anytime soon? jmg257 Mar 2013 #25

Well... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2013 #26

Ahhh..close enough! jmg257 Mar 2013 #27

About 20 years ago I read that... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2013 #28

BTW..most bans I read the SKS is not an AW..atleast not those with a fixed mag. nt jmg257 Mar 2013 #39

Some standards incorporate... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2013 #48

Hmmm..interesting take on it. Will look closer. nt jmg257 Mar 2013 #51

I could be entirely wrong but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2013 #55

I always look for the 'detachable' magazine part. Particularly surprised with jmg257 Mar 2013 #58

40,000,002 holdencaufield Mar 2013 #32

Sweet...did you get all hot over that buttload? jmg257 Mar 2013 #34

Oh please, please, please do rrneck Mar 2013 #10

Good luck. Glaug-Eldare Mar 2013 #12

There are far better ways to spend money to reduce gun violence than a gun buy back program. ... spin Mar 2013 #30

Just how is that going to be accomplished without totalitarianism? Warpy Mar 2013 #33

Two things Android3.14 Mar 2013 #35

What's an "assault weapon"? Straw Man Mar 2013 #43

How about a Mini-14 with a flash hider? Does that count? rdharma Mar 2013 #57

I don't see a flash hider on that one. Straw Man Mar 2013 #61

The "tactical" version of the Mini-14 tularetom Mar 2013 #66

But it has several other ... Straw Man Mar 2013 #67

No flash suppressor. rdharma Mar 2013 #71

50% of American households had guns in 1977. That number has declined steadly since then... Walk away Mar 2013 #46

actually no gejohnston Mar 2013 #52

I would never prepare for "Revolution" ... holdencaufield Mar 2013 #65

It won't pass so why banter on about it. Way it sounds, scant little is going to pass out of the Purveyor Mar 2013 #54

Yeah...Good luck with that Gold_from_lead Mar 2013 #62

It won't and we shouldn't tularetom Mar 2013 #63

Yep. Glaug-Eldare Mar 2013 #75

NO! guardian Mar 2013 #74

There is no political will or capital to pay for this. iiibbb Mar 2013 #77

no, don't confiscate 'em...... lastlib Mar 2013 #80

As my Chinese former co-worker once quipped, a left jack-boot up your ass feels no better... slackmaster Mar 2013 #86

I'm sorry........ lastlib Mar 2013 #98

says a self-described "lib" who advocates public execution for a victimless malum prohibitum crime slackmaster Mar 2013 #99

Not a bit surprising; gun Prohibitionists have been letting their crypto-fascist flag fly lately: friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #105

And yours never existed. Clames Mar 2013 #112

Well, since you're so squeamish, we'll settle for public castration....... lastlib Mar 2013 #114

Another obvious answer from you. Clames Mar 2013 #115

Gun ownership = Lower crime FamilyMan Mar 2013 #93

Nice try but the question is ban "Assault weapon" not..... yourout Mar 2013 #102

Not so sure so many people are under that false pretense at all. jmg257 Mar 2013 #108

Should we?....yes. Will we?....not a chance. yourout Mar 2013 #101

I think we should take them from the criminals, and leave law abiding Skip Intro Mar 2013 #113