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VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
99. Not to the ATF.....and there is so indefinite registry federally
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:50 AM
Mar 2013

As of July 2004, approved purchaser information is no longer kept for ninety days but is instead destroyed within twenty-four hours of the official NICS response to the dealer.13 As a result, ATF inspectors are no longer able to compare the information on file with the dealer to the information the dealer submitted to NICS. The Department of Justice Inspector General noted that the shortened retention time makes it much easier for corrupt firearm dealers to avoid detection.14 Federal law also specifically prohibits using NICS to create any system of registration of firearms or firearm owners.15

The FBI maintains indefinitely the records of prospective purchasers whose applications are denied.16
Sales Records: FFLs are required to maintain records of the acquisition and sale of firearms indefinitely.17 The dealer must record, “in bound form,” the purchase or other acquisition of a firearm not later than the close of the next business day following the purchase or acquisition.18 The dealer must similarly record the sale or other disposition of a firearm not later than seven days following the date of such transaction and retain Form 4473, the Firearms Transaction Record.19 When a firearms business is discontinued, these records are delivered to the successor or, if none exists, to the Attorney General.20

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I'm calm now ... holdencaufield Mar 2013 #1
Yeah, I felt that way about Sudafed. aquart Mar 2013 #51
"Hobby." You keep using that word. ThatPoetGuy Mar 2013 #78
The chances of this bill passing in Florida are less than the chance that I will win ... spin Mar 2013 #2
Oh, no doubt. I was simply amused to see an alleged 'progressive' attempt to employ... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #3
CONTROL......they want to control you, not ammo or guns. ileus Mar 2013 #4
Nope. They want to keep people safe. ThatPoetGuy Mar 2013 #79
Rigid Dogma av8r1998 Mar 2013 #103
here is an interview with Sen Gibson on the subject gejohnston Mar 2013 #5
Hell, you seen those damned prices???!!! Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #6
Authoritarians are so cute when they get all Big Brotherish. nt Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #7
They're cute when they're small holdencaufield Mar 2013 #8
Oh how about anger management required before voting too. beevul Mar 2013 #9
Her level of ignorance is amazing. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #10
Point of fact...Most Mass murderers do NOT have a criminal record. VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #52
two different things gejohnston Mar 2013 #55
Most children who shoot themselves or other children VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #60
those make up at most 50 gejohnston Mar 2013 #61
It's not a herring VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #63
you think only 50 children die a year from gunshot wounds in this country???? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #64
Over 10 times wrong! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #65
if child is defined as under 12 gejohnston Mar 2013 #67
baloney and we do NOT define children as under 12.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #71
I can handle the math...can you? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #72
but I will defer to your constraint.....lets play another round shall we? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #73
and more... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #76
why get it from Huff Po gejohnston Mar 2013 #77
Welcome to DU! ThatPoetGuy Mar 2013 #80
So now saying that we need better gun control is an extremist position? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #81
Nope! I meant the opposite. ThatPoetGuy Mar 2013 #82
I simply said that 13 year olds are gejohnston Mar 2013 #83
Uh huh. ThatPoetGuy Mar 2013 #84
for example? gejohnston Mar 2013 #85
Oh Okay...thanks for the clarification! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #86
I don't think forcing a woman to be vaginally penetrated for a medical procedure ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #11
Anger management should be required before buying golf clubs. Remmah2 Mar 2013 #12
Are you equating Golf Clubs with AR15's? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #53
I'm saying gun control advocates can't count to four. Remmah2 Mar 2013 #58
We already HAVE Gun control VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #59
does anyone want one? gejohnston Mar 2013 #62
YOU BET they DO! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #66
I first learned such things are legal at the post office gejohnston Mar 2013 #68
Okay.....it is illegal to own a sawwed off shotgun! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #69
in fact my ex got 5 yrs probation for possessing said fire arm! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #70
state or federal law? gejohnston Mar 2013 #75
and STILL that equates to regulation does it not?? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #87
I never said we didn't gejohnston Mar 2013 #88
Gun control advocates DO know that we do VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #89
many seem not to, gejohnston Mar 2013 #90
One guy does not a trend make VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #91
she was pretty typical gejohnston Mar 2013 #92
Not so typical....those on the left are generally better read than many of those I know on the right VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #93
on most things, I'm most likely way to the left of you gejohnston Mar 2013 #94
Yeah unless the gun dealer is robbed...then he can destroy the records right???/ VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #95
nope gejohnston Mar 2013 #97
Not to the ATF.....and there is so indefinite registry federally VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #99
never said it was gejohnston Mar 2013 #102
we have had federal gun control since gejohnston Mar 2013 #74
And obviously that needs to be updated huh? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #96
that was the first one gejohnston Mar 2013 #98
There are No Guarantees... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #100
no gejohnston Mar 2013 #101
"How is a Sig Sauer different than a Ruger?" VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #104
huh? gejohnston Mar 2013 #105
pro-RKBA "logic": sitting in a classroom for two hours = an invasive probe inserted in a woman's apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #13
You lot are no different from the fetus fetishists in thinking your particular infringement... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #16
You go right on doubling down on that offensive and frankly sexist comparison between a woman having apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #17
I've been pointing out the similarities between gun Prohibitionists and abortion foes for years: friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #18
There are no "similarities" between an invasive procedure in a woman's body and some clownish apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #19
"Bobo who likes to play with popguns". Gotta get your culture war on, eh? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #21
Whatever any of that collage of non-responsive gibberish means. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #22
It means: You don't get to decide what is progressive, and what isn't. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #25
No, it doesn't: it's just a meaningless jumble of words, typed in order to deflect and obfuscate apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #29
Similar to your slanderous, idiotic .sig in that sense, then. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #43
Aaaahhhhh...Someone haz an ongoing sadz about my sigz. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #46
As usual, you're dead wrong. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #49
LOL! apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #50
I'd like to know if they find passing a driving test to be an equivalent invasive procedure VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #54
Tell you what: why don't you put your money where you keyboard is and post an OP in GD apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #24
Why don't *you* repost it in GD and complain about it? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #27
And Bingo! There it is: all we're gonna get now is excuses as to why you're NOT going to post apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #30
Gun threads don't play well in GD- you are are always free to alert and play jury roulette. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #36
"Gun threads don't play well in GD" - Translation: "I'm unwilling to stand behind my convictions apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #40
And check this out, class: of the three links he provides "proving" he's been engaging in offensive, apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #20
I ridicule those that try to evade Lawrence v. Texas and Olmstead v. L. C., as well friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #26
Get back with me when you're willing to stand behind your convictions and post an OP in GD apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #32
And all *your* blather is meaningless unless you alert and/or claim a TOS violation. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #37
Hey, it doesn't bother me that you are unwilling to stand behind your own stated convictions. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #39
You'll just have to get used to your demands being ignored. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #44
Hey, it doesn't bother me that you are unwilling to stand behind your own stated convictions. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #48
Why not anger mgmt classes to get your driver's license? guardian Mar 2013 #14
Ammo is getting scarce. Jenoch Mar 2013 #15
*shrug* Okay. Deep13 Mar 2013 #28
she couldn't defend her own idea or explain how it would work gejohnston Mar 2013 #31
Seriously? Every fucking time you buy it? tularetom Mar 2013 #33
in an interview she blew badly gejohnston Mar 2013 #34
Haahaaahaaaa... *Bookmarking for Future Reference* apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #35
Good. Put it right next to the "Zimmerman will walk thanks to SYG laws" friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #38
And you're a pro-George Zimmerman poster to boot! Why am I *NOT* surprised? apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #41
Kindly prove your claim with citations. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #45
There's still time to edit your #38 above. Or at least initiate a walk-back. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #47
No need to; I need only repost something about Zimmerman that I posted in January, friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #56
Uh-huh. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #57
I'm still pissed to hell & back about ammo prices!! Did you do dat? Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #106
What irritates me is the irrational panic. I was waiting to be helped to get some premium 20 gauge apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #107
When you have calls for bans, ammunition limits, ammunition taxes, Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #108
And as such a reaction is *irrational* - i.e., NOTHING I have proposed or advocated for apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #109
Yours is a hateful culture war, in which you have concocted an enemy Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #110
Wrong - my "war" is the age-old progressive, liberal struggle for enlightenment, civilization, and apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #111
Same ol' denigration, same ol' longwindedness-s-s-z-z-z Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #118
Same "ol' truth and facts; same "ol' Gungeoneers fleeing the scene like vampires from a garlic grove apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #120
And according to many that post here............... oneshooter Mar 2013 #121
And here we have the Pamela Geller branch of gun control advocacy in purest ray serene friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #112
What you actually "have" is a genuine progressive talking truth to a gaggle of pro-NRA shills & apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #113
Same backbeat as Pam G., just a different subject- "All *those* people are alike, and I'm merely... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #114
What you actually "have" is a genuine progressive talking truth to a gaggle of pro-NRA shills & apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #115
Hey, and BTW: have you worked up the gumption to actually stand behind your convictions PUBLICLY apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #116
Why? This was a thread about gun politics, and still is. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #117
So, the answer is "NO" - you have not yet worked up the courage of your convictions apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #119
I understand where you're coming from- you are upset because you fear defeat... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #122
So the answer is *still* "NO": you haven't yet worked up the courage of your convictions to post apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #123
Still resorting to the same old "pro-NRA" untruths, eh? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #124
Hey, it doesn't bother me that you are unwilling to stand behind your own stated convictions. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #125
Sounds like it's intended solely to make a right/liberty more expensive, inconvenient, petronius Mar 2013 #42
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