Gun Control & RKBA

SteveW

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24. The reality is violent crime rates are down, guns "awash" or no...

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 07:40 PM

Jan 2012

There is little evidence to link the number of guns in civilian hands to any crime rate, up or down.

People acquire hand guns (and other types) for self-defense. That should not be difficult to understand.

You should know by now that the chief proponent of a relationship between guns and crime have been controller/banners who for years said "more guns = more crimes." They have not proved their case, and the evidence is a lower crime rate.

The number of guns in people's hands matters little to me because there is little evidence of any real social consequence as a result of that number.

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Three recent examples of why we carry in restaurants. [View all] GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 OP

I toted my 9c last night out to dinner....pretty uncommon for me. ileus Jan 2012 #1

does it conceal well? YllwFvr Jan 2012 #34

Until I switched to using a laser vs iron sights DWC Jan 2012 #41

It's just as wide as the glock, a little shorter length and heightwise... ileus Jan 2012 #55

Why geckosfeet Jan 2012 #2

Because there's constantly people insisting anyone who carries a weapon is a psychopath. TheWraith Jan 2012 #4

I don't know. I still don't think it's ayone elses business. geckosfeet Jan 2012 #37

I consider this group to be my "gun club" OriginalGeek Jan 2012 #52

why, exactly? iverglas Feb 2012 #91

Why do you care how I see it? OriginalGeek Feb 2012 #93

well I just don't know iverglas Feb 2012 #94

Do people come in here and talk about guns? OriginalGeek Feb 2012 #99

talk about guns favourably? iverglas Feb 2012 #100

They Don't DWC Jan 2012 #42

Anywhere might be a stretch Hawkowl Jan 2012 #3

Feeding carriers' paranoia. Hoyt Jan 2012 #5

Wow! Totally understand now! Arctic Dave Jan 2012 #6

So-o-o-o, there are only 3 examples? Really?... SteveW Jan 2012 #7

What's your mpg on your Bearcat? Arctic Dave Jan 2012 #8

I don't have a Bearcat, but will accept delevery on a Ferret next month. oneshooter Jan 2012 #15

Full sheep dip should do the trick. Include yourself. nt SteveW Jan 2012 #16

work on your love handles YllwFvr Jan 2012 #35

You don't put fucking carpet in a bomb shelter. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #43

And when a CCW permit holder appears to be meekly complying Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #12

Rand makes this amazing quote... SteveW Jan 2012 #17

One person's experience, (mine) but the number Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #22

Three is enough to demonstrate why. GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #27

Steve W is *supporting* your case, GSC. NT Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #33

OOPS. Sorry. Replied to wrong post. N/T GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #38

And the first one was not even in the restaurant Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #84

When I start feeling it is so safeinOhio Jan 2012 #9

You missed the point entirely. GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #29

We? safeinOhio Jan 2012 #30

Ane if you guess wrong and trouble surprises you? GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #62

Life is a gamble safeinOhio Jan 2012 #68

A gamble it is. ManiacJoe Feb 2012 #70

A Kel-Tec P3AT weight only 11 oz fully loaded. GreenStormCloud Feb 2012 #71

A Kel-Tec P32 weighs only 9.5 oz. Straw Man Feb 2012 #87

My 32 Seecamp is just as light and small. safeinOhio Feb 2012 #89

In Texas valid no guns signs are rare. GreenStormCloud Feb 2012 #90

It happens when you least expect it. jeepnstein Feb 2012 #82

"it"? what "it"? iverglas Feb 2012 #101

"it" = an encounter with a convicted murderer ... Straw Man Feb 2012 #105

My car has bumpers, crumple zones, multiple air bags, restraints, anti-lock brakes, a safety cage, s AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #44

We went to a Applebee's in Kansas City last night. RC Jan 2012 #10

Who's "bragging?" More straw? SteveW Jan 2012 #18

The real reality is this nation is awash in hand guns. RC Jan 2012 #23

The reality is violent crime rates are down, guns "awash" or no... SteveW Jan 2012 #24

It seems to work well with some frequency. PavePusher Jan 2012 #25

You can be a helpless victim if you think that is better. GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #28

After 67 years, I have never been a victim. RC Jan 2012 #32

May your good luck continue. GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #63

It's a bit more complicated. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #40

Three recent examples of accidental shootings. pnwmom Jan 2012 #11

No it doesn't. After years of "gun crime" postings, just leveling the playing field. SteveW Jan 2012 #19

Here are some disturbing statistics related to children and guns. pnwmom Jan 2012 #53

A couple of flaws gejohnston Jan 2012 #54

Not every child would learn from a block of ice. The young teen I know who was accidentally killed pnwmom Jan 2012 #56

kids are grown gejohnston Jan 2012 #58

I have firearms in my house.... liberal_biker Jan 2012 #59

In the scenario you describe, in most states you would have both legal and moral responsibility. pnwmom Jan 2012 #60

Nope - not true at all. liberal_biker Jan 2012 #61

Good luck with that argument in a CIVIL suit. (Check with your homeowner's insurance agent pnwmom Jan 2012 #64

Hate to tell ya liberal_biker Jan 2012 #66

Like I said, talk to your homeowner's insurance agent. pnwmom Jan 2012 #69

Nope sorry but you're wrong. liberal_biker Feb 2012 #72

Your insurance agent would be able to tell you about CIVIL liability, pnwmom Feb 2012 #77

Wrong AGAIN. liberal_biker Feb 2012 #80

"......talk to your homeowner's insurance agent." Simo 1939_1940 Feb 2012 #73

Funny isnt it? liberal_biker Feb 2012 #74

"Hence the belief that doctors who try to treat firearms as a disease Simo 1939_1940 Feb 2012 #75

Here's a classic example of what happens when an anti-gun physician Simo 1939_1940 Feb 2012 #76

Most homeowners policies include protection against liability pnwmom Feb 2012 #78

Again, insurance agents are not experts on civil law. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #79

Most AGENTS.... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #81

Fine. But when you're sued because you did something stupid pnwmom Feb 2012 #83

So lets see.... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #85

You couldn't be more wrong. At least 28 states have safe storage laws, not 1. pnwmom Feb 2012 #86

Nope - still right. liberal_biker Feb 2012 #88

You are wrong. Texas DOES have "safe storage/child access prevention laws." pnwmom Feb 2012 #103

Try again liberal_biker Feb 2012 #107

You said that Texas didn't have a child access law. And you were wrong. pnwmom Feb 2012 #109

You seem to be under the impression they are not secured.... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #110

I gave you the actual statute, and you're still complaining about my source? pnwmom Feb 2012 #111

You presented the statute.... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #112

If I was on a jury deciding a case like this, pnwmom Feb 2012 #113

Did you completely ignore what I have said more than once? liberal_biker Feb 2012 #114

Your final line is what I always consider the most useful message of injury/mortality petronius Jan 2012 #57

If you were truly concerned about child safety you would be concerned about.... GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #65

You're leaving out all the kids who are killed with guns pnwmom Feb 2012 #104

define kids gejohnston Feb 2012 #106

You have actual proof of this? liberal_biker Feb 2012 #108

Well, something is working: Gun-involved childhood accidents are on the decline. SteveW Feb 2012 #115

And yet... Clames Jan 2012 #21

Exactly the point. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #45

My friend working at an Applebees was telling me this couple was sitting at their bar minding their southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #13

Gun fight at the OK Corral Marnie Jan 2012 #14

Or you can take the knife "fight;" more moral, perhaps? nt SteveW Jan 2012 #20

Is there something improper about defending oneself at a restaurant? PavePusher Jan 2012 #26

That would be "Gun fight at the Golden Corral" (nt) Kellerfeller Jan 2012 #50

You really only need one, burf Jan 2012 #31

And this is why you should... ellisonz Jan 2012 #36

I see no problem with that. N/T GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #39

Given that in 6 years, the TSA has confiscated over 900 firearms AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #46

People with no criminal intent aren't the problem. PavePusher Jan 2012 #47

re: "...this is why you should... be able to carry..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #48

There's more ... GeorgeGist Jan 2012 #49

It could have just been a suicide Kellerfeller Jan 2012 #51

Wanna buy some beach front property I have in New Mexico? Spoonman Jan 2012 #67

guess the old MSM didn't do theirs either iverglas Feb 2012 #92

his name is not in the system gejohnston Feb 2012 #95

well, gosh, like I said: iverglas Feb 2012 #96

that does not come up either gejohnston Feb 2012 #97

yeah, right iverglas Feb 2012 #98

I don't know about this gejohnston Feb 2012 #102