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GreenStormCloud

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46. That study has been debunked
Fri May 10, 2013, 10:31 AM
May 2013

Gun controllers love to trot out so-called scientific studies that show that carrying a gun makes one more likely to get shot.

Common sense says that is pure bullshit. Guns are not bullet magnets. Bullets don't curve in mid-air to go to a person carrying concealed. Thugs don't hunt for concealed carriers to shoot them on sight. You don't get shot because you have a hidden gun on you.

The ONLY reason why a person might get shot is that they are engaging in a behavior that will cause someone to want to shoot them, or they have the bad luck to be a victim of a random shooter or other criminal. (Examples of the latter would be mass shootings, serial shootings, gang initiation shootings, etc.) Merely carrying a concealed handgun will not make someone a target as nobody knows that you have the gun, therefore you can't be targeted for having a gun.

So the real question that should be asked is not if the person had a gun, but what were they doing when they were shot? It is well known from FBI statistics that over half of all murder victims were themselves engaged in a criminal enterprise. But criminals do not make up over half of our population, so one draws the reasonable conclusion the being a criminal is dangerous. Certain crimes would be more dangerous than others. Drug dealing and gang banging would be more dangerous than being a business embezzler. The dangerous criminals are well aware that they are targets for other criminals and are extremely likely to be armed. Naturally, those who style of crime is armed robbery are going to be armed. All of them will be engaging in behaviors that have a high risk of drawing gun fire, either from other criminals or from armed citizens.

The law-abiding person who is legally carrying will not be engaging in any of those activities. His behavior won't change (with very rare exception) from what it was before. So he won't be a target unless his luck runs out and a violent criminal targets him. Then his gun gives him the ability to fight back.

None of the so-called studies have ever made any attempt to separate the legal from the illegal carriers but instead have lumped them all together as if they were all legal carriers. Until a study makes such a differentiation they will all be useless and will discover nothing except that being a violent criminal is dangerous.

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Kewl. You can conceal your guns together. Ain't love grand? Buzz Clik May 2013 #1
Prepare to be labeled with a broad brush wercal May 2013 #2
No worries. I've been here quite a while and have been called every name in the book. shadowrider May 2013 #3
you may have been called names, but not to worry, nobody ever called you "liberal" CreekDog May 2013 #71
In your opinion, everybody who posts pro-gun is to the "right" of the party and the president shadowrider May 2013 #73
your are lucky. Niceguy1 May 2013 #4
My wife went with me once. She shot better than me. Common Sense Party May 2013 #28
I always wonder when I hear about someone upaloopa May 2013 #5
I've had a long talk with her and we're both well aware of the risks. n/t shadowrider May 2013 #7
I am not opposed to what you both are doing. upaloopa May 2013 #9
Which is why I'm proud she made this decision on her own. shadowrider May 2013 #10
Well glad there are people like us upaloopa May 2013 #11
The odds just went up tremendously that she'll use a gun on you. corkhead May 2013 #6
Not quite but thanks for playing. I work 400 miles away. shadowrider May 2013 #8
I cannot count the times I have been all alone HockeyMom May 2013 #12
Your choice is your choice and I don't begrudge you that. Our choice (now) is our choice shadowrider May 2013 #13
You do know that CokeMachine May 2013 #14
I try to understand the FEAR HockeyMom May 2013 #16
Do you really Jenoch May 2013 #17
Typical anti gun talking point, dontchaknow. rl6214 May 2013 #19
I was attempting to Jenoch May 2013 #22
From what I have seen rl6214 May 2013 #45
You seem to have the fear? CokeMachine May 2013 #24
I and most if my friends don't live in fear... Eleanors38 May 2013 #39
Don't plant that axiom too deep! Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #43
do you have a fire extinguisher? kudzu22 May 2013 #47
Wait - you do not own a fire extinguisher because you are afraid of a fire, you own it because??? jmg257 May 2013 #48
No fire extinguishers HockeyMom May 2013 #50
Wait a minute... Jenoch May 2013 #69
I am not HockeyMom May 2013 #70
What does that have to do with your Jenoch May 2013 #72
You shouldn't live in fear rl6214 May 2013 #62
No worries. A little fear is a good thing. Causes people to do all sorts of smart things, jmg257 May 2013 #68
No HockeyMom May 2013 #49
smoke alarm? armueller2001 May 2013 #61
No smoke alarm HockeyMom May 2013 #67
As usual with your posts I will call BS rl6214 May 2013 #18
gunnut frauds jimmy the one May 2013 #15
I'm not defending Jenoch May 2013 #20
While I've been searching for "Ed Shultz shot his dog" bahrbearian May 2013 #34
No. I don't have a current link. Jenoch May 2013 #35
Ya, I'm from Fargo never heard that story bahrbearian May 2013 #36
I have a brother in Moorhead. Jenoch May 2013 #37
you actually don't have to demostrate need in may issue states gejohnston May 2013 #21
Do you have a caps key? CokeMachine May 2013 #25
eat at jerry's jimmy the one May 2013 #33
Damn that sandwich does look good. Eleanors38 May 2013 #40
It's 'your' Internet posting abilities. rl6214 May 2013 #63
Huh?? CokeMachine May 2013 #65
Well, my response is shadowrider May 2013 #44
My wife made the same decision last year ileus May 2013 #23
Choice works for guns and abortion. dkf May 2013 #26
I hope you both stay safe MannyGoldstein May 2013 #27
the major flaw in that study gejohnston May 2013 #29
"...repulsive, anti-social health hazard:" Nice way to insure unbiased research. Eleanors38 May 2013 #41
Again with the correlational BS kudzu22 May 2013 #38
IIRC, 70+% of homicides are committed by veteran felons. Eleanors38 May 2013 #42
That study has been debunked GreenStormCloud May 2013 #46
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2013 #30
Cool! Cronus Protagonist May 2013 #31
good for her. i own one for personal protection. DesertFlower May 2013 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author kysrsoze May 2013 #51
"Yee Haw! I'm so happy my girlfriend is so terrified that she had to... Walk away May 2013 #52
Your comment is beneath contempt n/t shadowrider May 2013 #54
Are you a member of MRA??? CokeMachine May 2013 #58
Just make sure you never come home unexpected... Saturday May 2013 #53
I always make a quick call before i turn in the drive to let her know the lights she sees is me n/t shadowrider May 2013 #55
Such common precautions slip by them like cats' feet in the fog Eleanors38 May 2013 #56
Sounds to me like she thought about it long and hard. oneshooter May 2013 #57
She did. shadowrider May 2013 #59
you opened the door jimmy the one May 2013 #60
You can easily carry and conceal a gun regardless of the weather rl6214 May 2013 #64
The door was opened to talk about ccw and an anti-gun person changing their mind shadowrider May 2013 #66
Married almost 40 years HockeyMom May 2013 #74
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