Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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71. why not?

Thu May 16, 2013, 06:37 PM

May 2013

Suppressive fire the only reason for saws? Really? So a hundred round drum is only for suppressive fire? I still maintain and challenge anyone to dispute that more rounds on target is more leathal than fewer be they semi or full auto.

SAWs are belt fed and that is the purpose of any machine gun.

Mini gun vs one big round we seem to agree on lending credibility to large mags being more lethal.

No. A Ruger 10/22 with a 25 round mag is less lethal than a double barreled .45-70.

That eleven kids escape Lanz was relayed by one of the children who made it out of the room. I anticipate your next move to be impugning the testimony of the child. The rest of that response was akin to the God of the Gaps: We don't know so I don't have to acknowledge that point of argument.

I wasn't aware that the kids said any such thing, since I didn't see the interview. it's not like the media did an excellent job of covering it.

Loghner and reloading is at least a bit of honesty; Probably would have saved lives but then back to the God of the Gaps argument (which is no argument).

Finally I postulate a scenario similar to the Giffords shooting (30 round Glock or 6 shot S&W) and you pull a Komoroshi Moru by changing the proposition. "Well if this and if that and if I get to change the scenario . . ."

Well, why Glock and S and W?

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Conflicting ideas... [View all] rrneck May 2013 OP

So why is it that we are supposed to expect somebody to rush in and bodily tackle an active shooter flamin lib May 2013 #1

You're probably referring to the Gabby Giffords shooting. rrneck May 2013 #2

You recall wrong. He dropped the mag and had to try for another . . . flamin lib May 2013 #3

The first responder with a firearm did precisely the right thing. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #4

Because he said so in an interview. He came to the scene, saw a man with a flamin lib May 2013 #6

You infer a lot. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #16

(I'll save you the trip: the number is ZERO) flamin lib May 2013 #22

let me preface by saying Bazinga May 2013 #44

So it's a case of risk:benefit ratio. flamin lib May 2013 #48

I don't blame you, I blame the author of that article. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #53

My apologies. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #46

If you say so. rrneck May 2013 #5

If you say so. Almost never happens fut it feeds the fantasy. And that's all it is, a fantasy. nt flamin lib May 2013 #7

Fantasy on both sides of the issue. nt rrneck May 2013 #8

All I can reply with is that Virginia Tech has a campus security force that flamin lib May 2013 #9

SWAT team and all those "good guys with guns" didn't make a difference. gejohnston May 2013 #10

Reagan's secuity was all 'roun him. nt flamin lib May 2013 #11

take that up with the Treasury Dept. gejohnston May 2013 #12

So rrneck May 2013 #15

The point is that the good guy with a gun is flamin lib May 2013 #17

I already told you armed intervention was risky. nt rrneck May 2013 #24

Have you got an answer to my question or not? nt flamin lib May 2013 #30

I'll agree with you again. rrneck May 2013 #32

Answered you here: flamin lib May 2013 #35

No one ever said that responding to an active shooter with a gun is a magic talisman that prevents AtheistCrusader May 2013 #52

If Reagan had been shot more than once you would have a point. Jenoch May 2013 #78

You make a good argument for the elimination of all semi-automatics Starboard Tack May 2013 #82

let me fix it for you gejohnston May 2013 #83

That's a big if. And we can discuss hypotheticals all day. Starboard Tack May 2013 #85

thing is, loonies are a very small minority gejohnston May 2013 #88

Thankfully, they are a small minority Starboard Tack May 2013 #90

policy shouldn't be based on black swans gejohnston May 2013 #92

Not really. rrneck May 2013 #84

A pump is a semi-automatic, at least IMO. Starboard Tack May 2013 #86

They're all semi automatic rrneck May 2013 #87

I don't consider a double barreled semi-automatic Starboard Tack May 2013 #91

Semi-automatic Straw Man May 2013 #98

actually, there are fewer gejohnston May 2013 #89

Fewer maybe, but nothing like few enough, which would be zero. Starboard Tack May 2013 #94

so dishonesty is OK? gejohnston May 2013 #95

I didn't say dishonesty is OK Starboard Tack May 2013 #100

the impression was there gejohnston May 2013 #101

Keeping kids safe is the broader discussion Starboard Tack May 2013 #102

The best way to do that is improved security in schools gejohnston May 2013 #103

Am I missing something here? Australia? Starboard Tack May 2013 #104

the point was that gejohnston May 2013 #105

There is no panacea and nobody AFAIK thinks there is. Starboard Tack May 2013 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author gejohnston May 2013 #107

Can you name an innocent bystander killed by a stray tackling? Robb May 2013 #13

Nope. rrneck May 2013 #14

You'll have to translate for me, I think. Robb May 2013 #18

Not only is the notion rrneck May 2013 #21

This is a definition of absurd whith which I am not familiar. nt flamin lib May 2013 #25

I believe you. nt rrneck May 2013 #26

Well, at least you agree it's a contributor, even if a minor one. Robb May 2013 #27

Of course it's a contributor. rrneck May 2013 #28

Ya' might wanr to check out these. flamin lib May 2013 #20

So why does unarmed intervention make sense? rrneck May 2013 #23

Introducing another gun into a shootout cannot, under any conceivable circumstance, flamin lib May 2013 #29

It doesn't matter. rrneck May 2013 #34

That's not an answer, it's a capitulation. Explain how the only limiting factor to lethality flamin lib May 2013 #37

It doesn't. rrneck May 2013 #40

Because since the mid '70s 4000 people have been killed by terrorists on US soil flamin lib May 2013 #43

In what percentage of those deaths were more than 10 rounds fired? Bazinga May 2013 #47

Gungeon methodoloy #4: Minute. flamin lib May 2013 #51

I didn't say the number was insignificant. Bazinga May 2013 #74

I guess that 4000 figure includes rrneck May 2013 #58

WHAT THE FUCK DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THIS THREAD? flamin lib May 2013 #60

None. rrneck May 2013 #65

Okay, nothing will ever work every single time so lets just ignore something flamin lib May 2013 #68

Limiting mag capacity will do nothing. ntt rrneck May 2013 #69

Logic, reason and physics don't exist in your world do they? flamin lib May 2013 #70

Gee, thanks. rrneck May 2013 #72

Conceivable circumstance: rrneck May 2013 #36

I call bullshit. nt flamin lib May 2013 #38

Maybe. rrneck May 2013 #39

It's bullshit because the only way the the "field of fire" could be clear enough to not flamin lib May 2013 #41

Define completely empty rrneck May 2013 #42

Naaaa, not chaseing that red herring. It was you who postulated an empty field of flamin lib May 2013 #45

Shooting vest? Straw Man May 2013 #50

*sigh* Another red herring. My example pointed out the differences in hi cap flamin lib May 2013 #54

Wrong question. Straw Man May 2013 #56

Sorry but the laws of physics, logic and reason say limiting magazine capacity flamin lib May 2013 #59

me personally? gejohnston May 2013 #62

Really reaching aren't we? flamin lib May 2013 #66

why not? gejohnston May 2013 #71

It's been good and and it's been real but not really good for either of us. flamin lib May 2013 #73

Answers Straw Man May 2013 #76

Counting bullets. rrneck May 2013 #57

Who does this damage? flamin lib May 2013 #61

How many children died that day? rrneck May 2013 #67

But yet AtheistCrusader May 2013 #55

Well, in some cases flamin lib May 2013 #63

I was with you on the first 3-4 items. I'm sure all of them happen. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #64

Sorry. Straw Man May 2013 #49

Collateral damage? Straw Man May 2013 #77

Saying Loughner was changing magazines Jenoch May 2013 #79

That's simple. Magic. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2013 #81

Don't you know....guns kill people! ileus May 2013 #19

mass murder isn't even the tip of the iceberg bowens43 May 2013 #31

Yes, that's another sack of taters. nt rrneck May 2013 #33

Not so easy these days... jeepnstein May 2013 #75

In this age... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2013 #80

Yep. rrneck May 2013 #96

I often find myself... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2013 #97

Lots of people suffer from tunel vision. rrneck May 2013 #99

shooting back is hateful, rude, and inconsiderate. ileus May 2013 #93