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Lizzie Poppet

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59. Actually, it's a ludicrous analogy and an obvious appeal-to-emotion fallacy.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 09:50 AM
Jun 2013

While the flaws with that analogy are legion, let's just go with the obvious category error: CP is an action, a gun is an object. One can equate various actions committed with firearms, but the action is not the object (and such an analogy actually bolsters the pro-gun argument...).

Moreover, while guns do indeed kill children, and killing is worse than exploiting (and is worse than the actual primary objection to CP, which is the profound psychological damage), guns do so in extremely small numbers in relation to the total number of guns. CP, on the other hand, seriously harms the child every single time.

Consider spending less time on unsupported didacticism ("Undeniably," "No basis to do so," "None&quot and more on crafting a sound, non-fallacious argument...

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Them? Us? NoOneMan Jun 2013 #1
If someone is threatening me with deadly violence, he/she is "them." nt Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #3
Uh... Speak for yourself n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #5
No amount of "having a bad day" would turn me into a carjacker. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #16
Well thats you NoOneMan Jun 2013 #19
The disturbance is mutual. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #31
"there are acts I would rather die than commit" NoOneMan Jun 2013 #33
Agreed. But the scenario in question is a lot more than that. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #34
Stories are regularly posted here of cooperative victims who were killed anyway. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #58
Such stupid excuses. Travis_0004 Jun 2013 #55
Yes, you are defending the robber. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #57
Once you cross that line... jeepnstein Jun 2013 #60
No reason to be a willing victim these days... ileus Jun 2013 #2
Puhleez! "Progressive 2A movement" Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #71
it is accurate gejohnston Jun 2013 #72
You are amazing!! CokeMachine Jun 2013 #77
2 thumbs up !!! n/t DWC Jun 2013 #81
You can't be serious. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #83
it is a political philosophy gejohnston Jun 2013 #84
Illinois CCW has nothing to do with what I was referring to Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #86
can you show me where the NRA used the term? gejohnston Jun 2013 #88
Using the term is not the point, but what the term implies... Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #89
It has to do with the natural right of self defense gejohnston Jun 2013 #90
I take no issue with the natural right of self defense. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #91
ultimately, gejohnston Jun 2013 #92
I have little knowledge or interest in Australian gun laws Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #95
How is pepper spray a "truly defensive weapon" alabama_for_obama Jun 2013 #98
Pepper spray is designed and marketed as a defensive weapon. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #101
small pistols like the Ruger LPC gejohnston Jun 2013 #107
Marketed maybe, but still designed to kill. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #109
French Resistance fighters generally carried whatever they could get. oneshooter Jun 2013 #110
To quote MLK... DWC Jun 2013 #85
I'm quite familiar with the quote, and the man. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #87
I have taken your advice DWC Jun 2013 #93
Advocating against nukes and US millitary aggression alabama_for_obama Jun 2013 #99
Who said it was? Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #100
Actually, it is not DWC Jun 2013 #103
I see it's all about what YOU deem necessary and screw everyone else. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #108
Here is a reality flash for you DWC Jun 2013 #111
I see, it is all about YOU Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #112
Yup! Self Defense is all about SELF - see#85 - again n/t DWC Jun 2013 #113
You got that right! Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #114
So what does this have to do with the 2nd Amendment? rdharma Jun 2013 #4
Hey, DWC! Where did this "carjacking" take place? rdharma Jun 2013 #6
Venezuela gejohnston Jun 2013 #7
What's my point? I think you got my point already! rdharma Jun 2013 #8
Venezuela DWC Jun 2013 #9
My point is........ that isn't the US! rdharma Jun 2013 #10
There was nothing masked in the OP. So what *was* your point? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #11
Dishonest posting caught! rdharma Jun 2013 #12
Honest post was honest; no lies or misdirection. Decoy of Fenris Jun 2013 #13
Oh, all 'the usual suspects"! rdharma Jun 2013 #14
Good to see you again too, kid. :P n/t Decoy of Fenris Jun 2013 #15
Who do you think you're kidding? rdharma Jun 2013 #18
Actually, the name comes from a hobby of mine. Decoy of Fenris Jun 2013 #22
Those Nordic characters are quite popular among white supremacists rdharma Jun 2013 #24
True, but the Wolves of Fenris are one of the most humanitarian Chapters. Decoy of Fenris Jun 2013 #25
You're just exposing yourself more. rdharma Jun 2013 #29
You're right. I've got nothing to hide, so I don't hide anything. :) Decoy of Fenris Jun 2013 #30
Pretty clear you've never played WarHammer 40k. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #80
Excuse me? Straw Man Jun 2013 #73
I very rarely support blocking from groups, premium Jun 2013 #79
Who do you think you are kidding?? CokeMachine Jun 2013 #66
And that matters precisely how? Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #17
And they all come running when summoned! rdharma Jun 2013 #20
It's probably because it's quittin' time. Decoy of Fenris Jun 2013 #23
Oh, I'd wager you're wrong! rdharma Jun 2013 #27
Given that my profession deals with nothing -but- wagers, I'd take those odds. :P n/t Decoy of Fenris Jun 2013 #28
And *I'd* wager you used to be known here as bongbong... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #62
What are the odds?? CokeMachine Jun 2013 #67
Ah, so you admit you're only posting to get a reaction out of people. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #32
I'm betting Scully or Capt. Kirk -- he/she is just trolling. May I just add bongbong, bongbong. CokeMachine Jun 2013 #48
How was it "masked?" Renew Deal Jun 2013 #76
How do we know he was an honest person? NoOneMan Jun 2013 #21
He added his own comments to fit his message. nt rdharma Jun 2013 #26
Does that shoe fit??? CokeMachine Jun 2013 #49
Thank You for catching that DWC Jun 2013 #94
Yeah, context is everything NoOneMan Jun 2013 #97
Oh boy! Looks like you got busted. Starboard Tack Jun 2013 #102
Um, genius? The attacker had a gun. Loudly Jun 2013 #35
but the country has stricter laws than UK gejohnston Jun 2013 #36
So how is the crusade against child pornography going? Loudly Jun 2013 #37
the two are not remotely similar gejohnston Jun 2013 #38
I am here to tell you they are. Loudly Jun 2013 #39
a better analogy would be a gun is the same as the camera gejohnston Jun 2013 #40
I think we've debated the harm of the images alone. Loudly Jun 2013 #41
because guns have other uses, including saving lives gejohnston Jun 2013 #42
That's like saying CP has artistic merit. Loudly Jun 2013 #43
they didn't teach critical thinking gejohnston Jun 2013 #44
That's what they call ad hominem. Loudly Jun 2013 #45
no, it just occured to me why gejohnston Jun 2013 #46
Slave masters appealed to logic as well. For the preservation of their noble institution. Loudly Jun 2013 #47
no, they appealed to fear and emotion gejohnston Jun 2013 #51
Good God you are good!! CokeMachine Jun 2013 #52
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #53
A matter of credibility, shares- 'well-intentioned' deception is still deception. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #63
His consistent references to child porn are really getting creepy DonP Jun 2013 #96
Come on man mellow out! CokeMachine Jun 2013 #68
GE addressed the inconsistencies of your analogy in post 40. Bazinga Jun 2013 #70
You've been banned for this sort of thing before, Shares. Straw Man Jun 2013 #74
That is the only thing he Shares anymore. CokeMachine Jun 2013 #78
still not quite right on the analogy. Bazinga Jun 2013 #56
Actually, it's a ludicrous analogy and an obvious appeal-to-emotion fallacy. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #59
I don't know -- please reveal your sources/websites. You seem to have an interest in CP and CokeMachine Jun 2013 #50
Looks like you're trying to smear me with your own feces Jack. Loudly Jun 2013 #54
well said concisely, Loudly jimmy the one Jun 2013 #61
Look who's here CokeMachine Jun 2013 #69
We are just calling Pat Robertson-style moralizing as we see it. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #64
What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #65
I must say, Shares, ... Straw Man Jun 2013 #75
Got my first camera.. DWC Jun 2013 #82
Um, genius, premium Jun 2013 #104
He's just Sharesing hit thoughts!! CokeMachine Jun 2013 #105
Thank you, premium Jun 2013 #106
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