Gun Control & RKBA

pipoman

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71. Yep, Heller was narrow

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 09:11 AM

Feb 2012

but a resounding answer to the individual rights v. collective rights question. ALL SCOTUS decisions are narrow, ALL SCOTUS decisions are answers to very case specific questions.

It is hi-lar-ious to see the Brady's flogging Miller as if it was some broad ruling, answer to anything. :ROFL: I love how Miller is paraded out considering that Miller was dead at the time the case went to SCOTUS, and SCOTUS didn't hear any argument from Miller's side, since nobody showed up to argue his side.

Oh, and posting Brady opinions have as much impact in these parts as posting NRA opinion pieces. None.

This piece is sour grapes that Brady will never recover from..

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Even "Gun Rights" Judge Can't Stomach NRA Extremism [View all] ellisonz Jan 2012 OP

Interesting two-faced approach tonight. krispos42 Jan 2012 #1

Conflated analysis. ellisonz Jan 2012 #2

Not even close. Clames Jan 2012 #4

I never said it did... ellisonz Jan 2012 #6

So now we get to the crux of it. krispos42 Jan 2012 #9

Not exactly... ellisonz Jan 2012 #14

Most murders and nearly all assaults and violent crimes.... krispos42 Jan 2012 #17

Criminals try lots of times too... ellisonz Jan 2012 #22

"the thing is it normally doesn't take that many times to succeed. " rl6214 Jan 2012 #27

You tell me... ellisonz Jan 2012 #31

Via "mail order"? Cite, please. n/t PavePusher Jan 2012 #35

I guess the seller didn't have call display iverglas Feb 2012 #68

Just because he didnt say those words... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #75

let's run through this again iverglas Feb 2012 #76

I accept that.... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #77

no, you don't "accept" that iverglas Feb 2012 #78

Considering the source.... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #79

oh woe is me iverglas Feb 2012 #80

I'll freely admit bias. liberal_biker Feb 2012 #81

I know how it feels!! iverglas Feb 2012 #82

If you're suggesting it applies to you too.... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #83

excuse me??? iverglas Feb 2012 #84

He didn't have to. krispos42 Feb 2012 #88

really iverglas Feb 2012 #67

Somehow, the topic never came up. krispos42 Feb 2012 #86

I'll defend krispos on that... ellisonz Feb 2012 #91

Thanks krispos42 Feb 2012 #98

You're welcome. ellisonz Feb 2012 #100

I got them up... eventually. krispos42 Feb 2012 #119

Dude ellisonz Feb 2012 #120

uh-oh Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #101

lol ellisonz Feb 2012 #102

I will go as far as to say that I think Forum Hosts Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #112

I'd swear I saw a flock of pigs fly across the highway a couple of hours ago. NT Simo 1939_1940 Feb 2012 #105

they earned their wings Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #113

I am still absolutely failing to see iverglas Feb 2012 #114

Really? Straw Man Feb 2012 #115

really iverglas Feb 2012 #116

I see. Straw Man Feb 2012 #117

well hmm iverglas Feb 2012 #122

What's that in the sky? Straw Man Feb 2012 #124

Then you missed the exchange... krispos42 Feb 2012 #118

yeah, and it's POSSIBLE iverglas Feb 2012 #121

It's also possible krispos42 Feb 2012 #123

Re-read what you posted... Clames Jan 2012 #18

Aww...thanks buddy! ellisonz Jan 2012 #23

You have a poor memory one-eyed fat man Jan 2012 #32

I think you're probably simplifying arguments... ellisonz Jan 2012 #34

You support those that do. one-eyed fat man Jan 2012 #45

You object to democracy every single day, I believe. krispos42 Jan 2012 #7

good god, man iverglas Feb 2012 #69

not the same thing gejohnston Feb 2012 #70

I didn't SAY it is the same thing. iverglas Feb 2012 #73

If you say so gejohnston Feb 2012 #85

The only legitimate way to control the legislative process... krispos42 Feb 2012 #87

The NRA favors profits by gun manufactures over all else. Profits over humans. Where have I heard rhett o rick Jan 2012 #3

The last time you said it? n/t oneshooter Jan 2012 #5

Maybe so. Well then, maybe I should say it again. the NRA is more concerned with profits rhett o rick Jan 2012 #11

Really? Is that why they sponser childrens safety training? PavePusher Jan 2012 #16

Please dont try to rationalize this. The NRA is funded and backed by gun manufacturers. rhett o rick Jan 2012 #21

Cite to their funding sources, please. n/t PavePusher Jan 2012 #26

Your interlocutor seems to have gone missing after your awkward question. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #40

Typical gun controller behavior pattern DonP Jan 2012 #42

+1 X_Digger Jan 2012 #46

I've been asking them that question for around 2 years now. Always the same reaction. DonP Jan 2012 #47

Pretty soon... ellisonz Jan 2012 #49

Kind of ironic ... Straw Man Jan 2012 #51

Kinda ironic that your name is Straw Man... ellisonz Jan 2012 #52

Yes, isn't it? Straw Man Jan 2012 #62

Ancient history at this point. ellisonz Jan 2012 #63

Ancient history? Straw Man Feb 2012 #65

To someone around 25, two years ago is 'ancient history', I suppose. n/t X_Digger Feb 2012 #66

The American political clock moves in steadily, but surely every 2 years. ellisonz Feb 2012 #92

They've been on the side of the second amendment for 130+ years X_Digger Feb 2012 #93

We'll all continue to give your POV all the respect it deserves DonP Jan 2012 #53

lol ellisonz Jan 2012 #54

So what have you done in the real world for gun control? DonP Jan 2012 #55

Really? ellisonz Jan 2012 #57

I expect reason and the basic principle of one-person one-vote in a free and fair election to carry gejohnston Jan 2012 #58

That's pretty much what I thought. Good for you. DonP Jan 2012 #59

Unsubscribe from the DNC mailing list? ellisonz Jan 2012 #64

The NRA if funded by over 4 million dues paying members. GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #28

"The NRA is funded and backed by gun manufacturers." rl6214 Jan 2012 #30

That would be the NSSF (National Shooting Sports Foundation) that represents Mfrs. DonP Jan 2012 #36

Ratoinalize??? ... It's simple math: 4,000,000 members x $20 = $80,000,000 per year. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2012 #50

"The NRA is funded and backed by gun manufacturers." Simo 1939_1940 Feb 2012 #74

The NRA is not at all concerned with gun manufacturers profits, that's just something you made up rl6214 Jan 2012 #29

?! Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #103

Nope - you're wrong liberal_biker Feb 2012 #104

"Guns, are they a substitute for masculine deficiency?" Simo 1939_1940 Feb 2012 #106

Profits over people? Sounds like a standard RW objective. baldguy Jan 2012 #8

I agree. NRA is a right wing organization. nm rhett o rick Jan 2012 #10

Guns are an important part of right wing existence. nm rhett o rick Jan 2012 #12

You have the avatar of a sectarian terrorist who planted a bomb. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #43

Yes I have an avatar, but no gun. nm rhett o rick Jan 2012 #44

The avatar of a man who wanted to use a bomb to impose his religion. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #72

No. He has an avatar of the group Anonymous. 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #96

Which uses a mask of Guy Fawkes, attempted terrorist, as used by Alan Moore: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #107

Anonymous doesn't want to kill anybody. 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #109

Who to believe, you or the guy that created it? I'll go with the creator: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #110

In which way does that prove Anonymous wants to kill people? 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #111

Oh, I'll bet in the threads about Apple Computer. krispos42 Jan 2012 #15

Its not the pro-RKBA side that got spanked by the Heller decision. aikoaiko Jan 2012 #13

Hennigan... Clames Jan 2012 #20

I am thrilled that the Brady Bunch lunatics are forced to accept Heller as a victory. aikoaiko Jan 2012 #48

Mission Accomplished: Strawman Demolished! X_Digger Jan 2012 #19

Depends on... ellisonz Jan 2012 #24

Oh come on, henigan from the brady bunch? rl6214 Jan 2012 #25

Ha Ha Ha. NRA nuts! Bloberman1959 Jan 2012 #33

"NRA Nuts", ummm, does that include you fellow DU members that belong to the NRA? DonP Jan 2012 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #60

It includes my gun nut neighbor that got banned from DU. Ha Ha Ha. Bloberman1959 Feb 2012 #125

Sounds like hoplophobe gibberish to me. NT Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #61

I'm sure it does. Bloberman1959 Feb 2012 #126

The Brady Campaign as a source??!? ManiacJoe Jan 2012 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #39

Notice Henigan's backhanded acknowledgement of Heller's validity in that piece. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #41

Yep, the judge be right. Heller was "quite narrow," despite what the NRA told their minions. Hoyt Jan 2012 #56

Unfortunately for those on the pro-gun control side, McDonald was not "quite narrow"... S_B_Jackson Feb 2012 #89

You better hold em tight. Hoyt Feb 2012 #90

Do you disagree that states and municipalities who are intent upon infringing S_B_Jackson Feb 2012 #94

Yep, Heller was narrow pipoman Feb 2012 #71

Just shows how easily precedent is reversed -- especially 5/4 decision on issues like guns. Hoyt Feb 2012 #95

What, pray tell, was reversed? pipoman Feb 2012 #97

You have many examples.... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #99

oh. more GOP-founded, GOP-led stuff. false alarm. nt SteveW Feb 2012 #108