Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: The meaning of the Second Amendment (One Perspective) [View all]jimmy the one
(2,805 posts)johnston: It was refering to unorganized militias as in established militias without clear chain of command or purpose. It has nothing to do with private gun ownership. You were reading something that wasn't there.
Wrong, I was reading what is there & what you can deny all day long but it'll still be there in the morning, Joseph Story confirming the militia was the reason for the 2ndAmendment, and not as an individual right.
... 'unorganized militias' in the early 1800's were those white male scofflaws who shirked militia duty, made a mockery of it, paid others in their stead, deserted, or wanted nothing whatsoever to do with the 2ndA & rather'd the plow.
Story of course includes these shirkers & scofflaws in those who were indifferent, but he was referring to a growing sense of indifference amongst the american people - as in those ~15,000 militia eligible white males who didn't show up for the War of 1812.
Your red herring about private gun ownership is ludicrous & just churned out off the top of your head in order to put something up, anything.
Story was not just referring to the 'unorganized'. Read it again johnston, slowly this time, & maybe you'll realize how wrong you are.
Story: And yet, though this truth would seem so clear, and the importance of a well regulated militia would seem so undeniable, it cannot be disguised, that among the American people there is a growing indifference to any system of militia discipline, and a strong disposition, from a sense of its burthens, to be rid of all regulations.
How is it practicable to keep the people duly armed without some organization, it is difficult to see. There is certainly no small danger, that indifference may lead to disgust, and disgust to contempt; and thus gradually undermine all the protection intended by this clause of our national bill of rights... US Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story (1833)
Note also how Jos Story uses 'the people', in first & second paragraph above. 'How is it practical to keep the people duly armed without some organization'.... He is clearly speaking of militia age white males, since they were the only ones eligible for militia duty - the organization. He is not speaking of everyone, he is speaking of the people as the militia.
You people have no legs to stand on, when it comes to Jos Story. Except for 2nd Amendment Mythology.