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In reply to the discussion: The meaning of the Second Amendment (One Perspective) [View all]jmg257
(11,996 posts)71. There probably aren't too many people like that. Most societies have very
clear notions of the justifiable use of force in defense of self (and often others).
It was never expected that the people should surrender their right to self defense.
Yates
"The common good, therefore, is the end of civil government, and common consent, the foundation on which it is established. To effect this end, it was necessary that a certain portion of natural liberty should be surrendered, in order, that what remained should be preserved: how great a proportion of natural freedom is necessary to be yielded by individuals, when they submit to government, I shall not now enquire. So much, however, must be given up, as will be sufficient to enable those, to whom the administration of the government is committed, to establish laws for the promoting the happiness of the community, and to carry those laws into effect. But it is not necessary, for this purpose, that individuals should relinquish all their natural rights. Some are of such a nature that they cannot be surrendered. Of this kind are the rights of conscience, the right of enjoying and defending life, etc."
Read more: Brutus II http://www.infoplease.com/t/hist/antifederalist/brutus02.html#ixzz2X8oQVk31
Of course the 2nd is primarily about preserving the liberties of the people due to the importance of militias, and their vital role in securing our freedoms.
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The Girandoni Repeating Rifle appeared in the US prior to the ratification.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#85
The guy who played Scottie in the original Star Trek took six MG rounds on Juno Beach.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
Jun 2013
#59
Eddy Albert was the real deal at Tarawa. It's good to see that he had a successful film career.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#62
1776 - first amphibious raid at Fort Nassau, Bahamas. They captured the Governor and took 100 guns.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#56
I've got to say..... the 3rd Amendment has kept the redbacks from quartering troops at my house!
rdharma
Jun 2013
#6
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, ........
rdharma
Jun 2013
#33
Careful - Congress was NOT given power to create the militias - only to organize/regulate
jmg257
Jun 2013
#79
Without the right to life, and thus the ability to defend it no other rights matter.
ileus
Jun 2013
#65
Never underestimate the importance of the regulated militias. And of course the necessity to remove
jmg257
Jun 2013
#68
And no mention that the RKBA was understoood as exclusively for militia service
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#142
That is all well and good, but your argument is that the militia is the ONLY purpose to
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#156
...the right of the people to keep and serve in the militia, shall not be infringed ?
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#173
Not sure what you mean "to the terms" -do you mean keeping and bearing arms?
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#184
Of course A1/S8 talks of the people keeping arms..."organizing arming & disciplining the militias",
jmg257
Jul 2013
#185
Thanks - I didn't know there was a fund involved in getting someone to take your place.
jmg257
Jul 2013
#189
I'd vote for State being one of the 13 states in the union, and MAYBE also the Republic.
jmg257
Jul 2013
#152
Yes, same for all in that it describes the character of the state, country. or government.
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#159
And what of Keep arms? And what of those instances where persons spoke of the right to bear arms
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#178
If you do not care about the main point of contention in Heller, why bother?
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#183