Gun Control & RKBA

discntnt_irny_srcsm

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80. What in the world...

Reply to Eleanors38 (Reply #78)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 05:02 PM

Jun 2013

...is a Bison-52??

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The meaning of the Second Amendment (One Perspective) [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 OP

This fellow didn't have clue about modern 21st century military weaponry, eh? rdharma Jun 2013 #1

How about 21st century communications networks? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #8

I think that would come under the 1st Amendment........ rdharma Jun 2013 #11

yes, I see - Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #18

This bong fellow must have really PWNED you! rdharma Jun 2013 #20

You should know!! CokeMachine Jun 2013 #42

Maybe not but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #21

I'm sure that has special meaning for you! rdharma Jun 2013 #26

"Errrrp derrrp!" You have acid reflux? Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #28

Funny! Those PJ-wearing guerillas always had more than small arms........ rdharma Jun 2013 #32

you are confusing the VC with the gejohnston Jun 2013 #34

NO. I'm not confusing the VC with the NVA! rdharma Jun 2013 #36

You didn't major in military history did you? gejohnston Jun 2013 #40

Yeah! Like Bison bombers naval cruisers and helicopters & everything! Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #38

Oh! I've got to save this one before the edit! rdharma Jun 2013 #39

So says the king of editing. CokeMachine Jun 2013 #43

Riiiiiight! rdharma Jun 2013 #47

Glad you agree!! nt CokeMachine Jun 2013 #48

OH? rdharma Jun 2013 #49

I really like... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #54

Is he really hanging his hat on Bison-52s? That's it? Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #78

What in the world... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #80

You're quite welcome! nt Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #77

The Girandoni Repeating Rifle appeared in the US prior to the ratification. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #85

Also the puckle gun. beevul Jun 2013 #87

Well, it's clear that Justice Story thought so, anyway. Deep13 Jun 2013 #2

but there was a national marine corps gejohnston Jun 2013 #4

Marines meant soldiers who worked... Deep13 Jun 2013 #7

Never call a marine "soldier". gejohnston Jun 2013 #14

Some have been proud to be called soldiers of the sea. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #57

I only know of the modern ones, they generally had the view. gejohnston Jun 2013 #58

The guy who played Scottie in the original Star Trek took six MG rounds on Juno Beach. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #59

yeah. gejohnston Jun 2013 #60

most fortuitous discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #61

Eddy Albert was the real deal at Tarawa. It's good to see that he had a successful film career. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #62

In the 18th c. the USMC had none of its present day glory. Deep13 Jun 2013 #66

Owning a gun was a right... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #72

amusing side note... Deep13 Jun 2013 #67

kind of like the high school my kids went to gejohnston Jun 2013 #83

1776 - first amphibious raid at Fort Nassau, Bahamas. They captured the Governor and took 100 guns. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #56

Legal experience and credentials from two hundred years ago Auggie Jun 2013 #3

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I've got to say..... the 3rd Amendment has kept the redbacks from quartering troops at my house! rdharma Jun 2013 #6

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Apparently it's being honored (honoured).......... rdharma Jun 2013 #10

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Court Jesters! rdharma Jun 2013 #13

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You know what? I can almost hear the little bells on your hat ringing! rdharma Jun 2013 #16

you must be smoking some really good shit, dude. Peace Out. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2013 #17

Does that mean no encore? rdharma Jun 2013 #19

Would that be in his bongbong? nt CokeMachine Jun 2013 #44

What's up with all your "self deletes"? rdharma Jun 2013 #81

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half right, half wrong on joseph story jimmy the one Jun 2013 #22

It was refering to unorganized militias as in gejohnston Jun 2013 #23

no legs to stand on jimmy the one Jun 2013 #25

don't think so gejohnston Jun 2013 #29

"It's obvious he's speaking of the militia" discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #24

Why? Isn't that already made clear in the 2nd Amendment? nt rdharma Jun 2013 #27

No. The right referenced in 2A is that of the people, not of the militia. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #30

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, ........ rdharma Jun 2013 #33

old hats jimmy the one Jun 2013 #37

I'm afraid not. beevul Jun 2013 #63

Saul Cornell too jimmy the one Jun 2013 #31

diet Koch gejohnston Jun 2013 #35

Funny discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #84

If you are going to cite authorities, you are out-numbered. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #41

hocus pocus jimmy the one Jun 2013 #46

number four gejohnston Jun 2013 #50

LOL! Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #52

Poof-f-f-f... Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #51

sharp & inept jimmy the one Jun 2013 #55

Is President Obama a "pro gun quack"? He thinks it is an individual right. nt hack89 Jun 2013 #70

That lot *never* answer that one, do they? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #74

repuable? gejohnston Jun 2013 #53

Yawn!! CokeMachine Jun 2013 #45

more weird reasoning from gunfolk jimmy the one Jun 2013 #64

In what world... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #69

incomprehension abounds jimmy the one Jun 2013 #73

nice dodge discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #75

Indeed, it is as if you cannot read the language. hansberrym Jul 2013 #117

Good grief, try reading. beevul Jun 2013 #76

Careful - Congress was NOT given power to create the militias - only to organize/regulate jmg257 Jun 2013 #79

Thats a good point. beevul Jun 2013 #86

benjamin oliver & more jimmy the one Jun 2013 #88

Just some BS discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #89

semantics jimmy the one Jun 2013 #92

Maybe one day... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #93

Quit feeding the trolls in the basement!! CokeMachine Jun 2013 #94

You bring up an interesting & curious point... jmg257 Jun 2013 #95

I began this aspect... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #98

bear arms in bear country jimmy the one Jun 2013 #99

Don't take this the wrong way but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #100

and Keep arms in bear country (west of the Blue Ridge) hansberrym Jul 2013 #118

"keep" arms in bear country hansberrym Jul 2013 #119

Uh huh. beevul Jun 2013 #90

Without the right to life, and thus the ability to defend it no other rights matter. ileus Jun 2013 #65

There probably aren't too many people like that. Most societies have very jmg257 Jun 2013 #71

Never underestimate the importance of the regulated militias. And of course the necessity to remove jmg257 Jun 2013 #68

are you saying we should ditch emipre and MIC gejohnston Jun 2013 #91

your light is fluorescent jimmy the one Jun 2013 #96

Just a poem... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #97

rkba polls jimmy the one Jun 2013 #101

We the people spoke... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #104

yet another pandora's box jimmy the one Jun 2013 #109

Times change, Fashions change,... DWC Jun 2013 #102

Equal responsibilities??? Human Nature??? jmg257 Jun 2013 #103

Please enlighten me DWC Jun 2013 #105

You did read what I wrote, right? jmg257 Jun 2013 #106

Yes, I read what you wrote - attentively DWC Jun 2013 #112

damn the militia jimmy the one Jun 2013 #113

Your high volume of verbiage DWC Jun 2013 #115

#1 & 2, in this regards, are answered in what I wrote. jmg257 Jul 2013 #116

'the right to bear arms!' jimmy the one Jun 2013 #107

were there any liberals or Dems on the court? gejohnston Jun 2013 #108

no cigar jimmy the one Jun 2013 #110

I have seen some pretty pro corporate opionions on the part of Stevens gejohnston Jun 2013 #111

Do you understand and believe in Democracy? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #114

all hans on deck jimmy the one Jul 2013 #120

You could not be more funny if you tried hansberrym Jul 2013 #121

all hans go back below decks jimmy the one Jul 2013 #122

That's more like it. hansberrym Jul 2013 #123

rubbing it in jimmy the one Jul 2013 #124

Rub some more, of course PA's is closer. hansberrym Jul 2013 #125

Good try!! CokeMachine Jul 2013 #126

Yawn again CokeMachine Jul 2013 #127

Ex attorney & professor research 2Tocqueville Jul 2013 #128

Let's discuss a few things discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #129

This is a strange take on a portion.... jmg257 Jul 2013 #130

Agree on your first point, but not the second hansberrym Jul 2013 #132

Yep - "to keep" certainly makes it more iffy. jmg257 Jul 2013 #137

But what supports the "only" interpretation? hansberrym Jul 2013 #138

And the debates in congress. No mention of any use for bearing arms jmg257 Jul 2013 #140

And no mention that the RKBA was understoood as exclusively for militia service hansberrym Jul 2013 #142

A reasonable person concludes that the primary reason for the second amendment jmg257 Jul 2013 #147

That is all well and good, but your argument is that the militia is the ONLY purpose to hansberrym Jul 2013 #156

When did I make that argument?? Nt jmg257 Jul 2013 #165

See my post # 168 n/t hansberrym Jul 2013 #169

The idea that without restrictions "bear arms" must mean hansberrym Jul 2013 #144

"Restrictions" were on govt, not the terms used. jmg257 Jul 2013 #146

The facts always show the primary importance of the militias, and that they jmg257 Jul 2013 #148

Madison rejected PA Minority? hansberrym Jul 2013 #158

Madison rejected the PA minority terms of a broader purpose restriction... jmg257 Jul 2013 #163

The idea that without restrictions "bear arms" must mean hansberrym Jul 2013 #167

Depending of Course on the meaning of bear arms in the second. jmg257 Jul 2013 #170

...the right of the people to keep and serve in the militia, shall not be infringed ? hansberrym Jul 2013 #173

Ok...a number of people will say the meaning of to keep and bear arms jmg257 Jul 2013 #174

People will say anything, but what proof can those people offer? hansberrym Jul 2013 #176

What proof can either side offer? Numerous examples support both. jmg257 Jul 2013 #177

The problem is that the Heller dissent insisted on an rkba exclusively for hansberrym Jul 2013 #181

Agreed. No exclusivity(?) to the terms. jmg257 Jul 2013 #182

Not sure what you mean "to the terms" -do you mean keeping and bearing arms? hansberrym Jul 2013 #184

Of course A1/S8 talks of the people keeping arms..."organizing arming & disciplining the militias", jmg257 Jul 2013 #185

Scott: "nor can an equivalent be demanded" hansberrym Jul 2013 #188

Thanks - I didn't know there was a fund involved in getting someone to take your place. jmg257 Jul 2013 #189

was this thing typical? hansberrym Jul 2013 #194

While we are at it... jmg257 Jul 2013 #131

free state hansberrym Jul 2013 #133

2ndAmendment Mythology Speaks jimmy the one Jul 2013 #134

Take your meds hansberrym Jul 2013 #139

Which states were not "free"? hansberrym Jul 2013 #143

free state, CW, or virginia, or all of above jimmy the one Jul 2013 #151

Forgive me, I forgot that you cannot read. hansberrym Jul 2013 #154

tench coxe brings up the militia, why? jimmy the one Jul 2013 #135

Why do you continue to conflate proposals from the states hansberrym Jul 2013 #141

whoosh jimmy the one Jul 2013 #149

just lame hansberrym Jul 2013 #153

gun guru & guncite back me up jimmy the one Jul 2013 #161

Where else indeed hansberrym Jul 2013 #166

I'd vote for State being one of the 13 states in the union, and MAYBE also the Republic. jmg257 Jul 2013 #152

well, which states were not free? hansberrym Jul 2013 #155

States that were "not free" were those without a republican form of govt. jmg257 Jul 2013 #157

Yes, same for all in that it describes the character of the state, country. or government. hansberrym Jul 2013 #159

From our posts today, I am even more sure that state means 1 of 13 or 50... jmg257 Jul 2013 #160

Your contentions thus far: hansberrym Jul 2013 #162

I don't think I ever said rkba was limited to service in a state militia. jmg257 Jul 2013 #164

OIC, it was those other guys hansberrym Jul 2013 #168

Why would any govt "compel all its citizens to bear arms"? jmg257 Jul 2013 #171

Why do you ask? (again) hansberrym Jul 2013 #172

Because bearing arms was often used to refer, specifically, to a militia role jmg257 Jul 2013 #175

And what of Keep arms? And what of those instances where persons spoke of the right to bear arms hansberrym Jul 2013 #178

See #177 please...And ill respond below to the rest. Nt jmg257 Jul 2013 #179

It is clear to me there were other uses of bear arms and keep arms. jmg257 Jul 2013 #180

If you do not care about the main point of contention in Heller, why bother? hansberrym Jul 2013 #183

Why bother? Cause I think it is interesting as hell. jmg257 Jul 2013 #186

for your reading pleasure hansberrym Jul 2013 #190

Thanks (Again)! I'll check out Aymette, and some others too! jmg257 Jul 2013 #191

unmitigated gall re silveira jimmy the one Jul 2013 #192

Thanks, Jim, for the heads up... nt jmg257 Jul 2013 #193

poor Jimmy, was Breyer also lying when he said... hansberrym Jul 2013 #195

more lies jimmy the one Jul 2013 #196

yeah, but they are all yours! hansberrym Jul 2013 #197

to arms jimmy the one Jul 2013 #136

poor rebuttal jimmy the one Jul 2013 #187

priceless hansberrym Jul 2013 #198

poor lies...you are losing your touch. hansberrym Jul 2013 #199

Missing the obvious discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #200

cruel irony, a reason to be discontented jimmy the one Jul 2013 #201

Yes mythology! discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #202

jimmy doesn't just miss the obvious, he pretends it is not there hansberrym Jul 2013 #203

delusionary jimmy the one Jul 2013 #204

that about sums your arguments up -delusionary hansberrym Jul 2013 #205

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