Gun Control & RKBA

PavePusher

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7. Face-palm is often a suitable substitute.

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Wed Feb 1, 2012, 11:32 PM

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Holder on the hot seat tomorrow.... [View all] AzWorker Feb 2012 OP

How come? nt gateley Feb 2012 #1

Testifying about the ATF "Fast and Furious" program. TheWraith Feb 2012 #2

Well, heads SHOULD roll on that one. WTF were they thinking? Thanks -- I thought that was probably gateley Feb 2012 #3

They supposedly were doing it to try and track smugglers. TheWraith Feb 2012 #4

They surely should have been better coordinated (or whatever) regardless of their motive. But gateley Feb 2012 #6

Face-palm is often a suitable substitute. PavePusher Feb 2012 #7

What about the convictions and indictments that have come down. I guess they count for nothing if Hoyt Feb 2012 #9

That's like saying the Iraq War was worth it in the end because it toppled Saddam Hussein... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #10

What about Brian Terry's family? They're calling it "abominable, reckless, nonsensical." friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #11

Give us a break. Do you honestly think the killers of agent Terry would not have a gun otherwise. Hoyt Feb 2012 #12

"Do you honestly think the killers of agent Terry would not have a gun otherwise?" montanto Feb 2012 #13

ATF was trying to stop gun trafficking. That goal is laudable. Clearly could have done better. Hoyt Feb 2012 #14

"...there are a number of indictments already, and 2 convictions." And a couple of hundred deaths. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #25

Oh, and don't forget the State Department. jeepnstein Feb 2012 #28

Oliver North was trying to get US hostages back when he sold arms to Iran. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #29

They probably would have had guns. No-one is arguing that. PavePusher Feb 2012 #15

Well, let's apply same standard to S&W, Colt, Glock, your local gun shop, you if guns stolen, etc. Hoyt Feb 2012 #17

Please state the criminal act they are taking to supply criminals. PavePusher Feb 2012 #18

No problem liberal_biker Feb 2012 #19

Naw, I'm arguing this was a sting -- if it had worked, Most of us would have cheered. Hoyt Feb 2012 #20

Sigh.... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #21

Weaver was/is a terrorist-- only open for interpretation if you believe in "friends" of Aryan Nation Hoyt Feb 2012 #32

What charges was he convicted on, again? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #38

Really? liberal_biker Feb 2012 #40

A "sting" involves actually tracking the object, recovering it, and charging them.. fucking duh. X_Digger Feb 2012 #22

With over 20 indictments and already 2 convictions -- it served its purpose. More are coming. Hoyt Feb 2012 #33

How many deaths make it worthwhile? X_Digger Feb 2012 #36

Sometimes you need to break a truckload of eggs to make one omelet.... n/t friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #39

"...it served its purpose." REALLY??? discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #44

You just can't make a point without showing your animosity towards gun owners rl6214 Feb 2012 #24

Is the statement incorrect? You can search for discussion supporting Weaver, and blasting ATF. Hoyt Feb 2012 #30

Can you point to anything that shows the "gun culture" thinks Weaver is a "saint"? rl6214 Feb 2012 #34

Anything claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. And you've presented none. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #37

"You just hate the ATF and anyone who tries to control guns." Prove it. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #26

......YOU SPEAK SUMERIAN!?! Callisto32 Feb 2012 #42

I will- right after I get through with Linear B.... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #43

"You just hate the ATF and anyone who tries to control guns." Pacafishmate Feb 2012 #46

This would almost be a reasonable post if it not for a couple of statements rl6214 Feb 2012 #23

"It was necessary to illegally traffic in guns (with scores of deaths as a minor side effect)... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #27

Who were you quoting and repying to? rl6214 Feb 2012 #31

Sorry, that was a parody of certain viewpoints (not yours) seen here. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #35

I don't believe in drumming up crime to fight crime. Callisto32 Feb 2012 #41

who is going to question him? other government employees... ileus Feb 2012 #5

+1 n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #8

tru dat Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #16

Is Brian Terry's family going to question Holder? cbrer Feb 2012 #45