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In reply to the discussion: The meaning of the Second Amendment (One Perspective) [View all]jmg257
(11,996 posts)106. You did read what I wrote, right?
The Militia Act of 1792, Passed May 8, 1792, providing federal standards for the organization of the Militia.
An ACT more effectually to provide for the National Defence, by establishing an Uniform Militia throughout the United States.
I. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside...
VII. And be it further enacted, That the rules of discipline, approved and established by Congress, in their resolution of the twenty-ninth of March, 1779, shall be the rules of discipline so be observed by the militia throughout the United States, except such deviations from the said rules, as may be rendered necessary by the requisitions of the Act, or by some other unavoidable circumstances. It shall be the duty of the Commanding Officer as every muster, whether by battalion, regiment, or single company, to cause the militia to be exercised and trained, agreeably to the said rules of said discipline.
I. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside...
VII. And be it further enacted, That the rules of discipline, approved and established by Congress, in their resolution of the twenty-ninth of March, 1779, shall be the rules of discipline so be observed by the militia throughout the United States, except such deviations from the said rules, as may be rendered necessary by the requisitions of the Act, or by some other unavoidable circumstances. It shall be the duty of the Commanding Officer as every muster, whether by battalion, regiment, or single company, to cause the militia to be exercised and trained, agreeably to the said rules of said discipline.
More recently
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied
males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section
313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a
declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States
and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the
National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are -
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard
and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of
the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the
Naval Militia.
males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section
313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a
declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States
and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the
National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are -
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard
and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of
the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the
Naval Militia.
On militia vs large standing armies...
Mr. Gerry This declaration of rights, I take it, is intended to secure the people against the mal-administration of the government; if we could suppose that in all cases the rights of the people would be attended to, the occasion for guards of this kind would be removed. Now, I am apprehensive, sir, that this clause would give an opportunity to the people in power to destroy the constitution itself. They can declare who are those religiously scrupulous, and prevent them from bearing arms. What, sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty.
Madison
Should an army in time of peace be gradually established in our neighbourhood by Britn: or Spain, declarations on paper would have as little effect in preventing a standing force for the public safety. The best security agst. these evils is to remove the pretext for them.
1789-91
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State...
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and...
The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states
And on duty to serve in the militia...
Jackson
Mr. Jackson said, that he was of the opinion that the people of America would never consent to be deprived of the privilege of carrying arms. In a Republic every man ought to be a soldier, and prepared to resist tyranny and usurpation, as well as invasion
.
Compare this notion to our complete acceptance of HUGE standing Armies; and the notion that the only well-regulated militia is now a federal entity, of volunteers, armed by the government.
1789
To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
More recently...
(a) Use of Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies. - (1) The
President may employ the armed forces including the National Guard,
in Federal service, to -
(A) restore public order and enforce the laws of the United
States ...
(i) domestic violence
(B) suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence,
unlawful combination, or conspiracy...
President may employ the armed forces including the National Guard,
in Federal service, to -
(A) restore public order and enforce the laws of the United
States ...
(i) domestic violence
(B) suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence,
unlawful combination, or conspiracy...
If you don't see the differences, you are not looking hard enough...
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The Girandoni Repeating Rifle appeared in the US prior to the ratification.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#85
The guy who played Scottie in the original Star Trek took six MG rounds on Juno Beach.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
Jun 2013
#59
Eddy Albert was the real deal at Tarawa. It's good to see that he had a successful film career.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#62
1776 - first amphibious raid at Fort Nassau, Bahamas. They captured the Governor and took 100 guns.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#56
I've got to say..... the 3rd Amendment has kept the redbacks from quartering troops at my house!
rdharma
Jun 2013
#6
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, ........
rdharma
Jun 2013
#33
Careful - Congress was NOT given power to create the militias - only to organize/regulate
jmg257
Jun 2013
#79
Without the right to life, and thus the ability to defend it no other rights matter.
ileus
Jun 2013
#65
Never underestimate the importance of the regulated militias. And of course the necessity to remove
jmg257
Jun 2013
#68
And no mention that the RKBA was understoood as exclusively for militia service
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#142
That is all well and good, but your argument is that the militia is the ONLY purpose to
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#156
...the right of the people to keep and serve in the militia, shall not be infringed ?
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#173
Not sure what you mean "to the terms" -do you mean keeping and bearing arms?
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#184
Of course A1/S8 talks of the people keeping arms..."organizing arming & disciplining the militias",
jmg257
Jul 2013
#185
Thanks - I didn't know there was a fund involved in getting someone to take your place.
jmg257
Jul 2013
#189
I'd vote for State being one of the 13 states in the union, and MAYBE also the Republic.
jmg257
Jul 2013
#152
Yes, same for all in that it describes the character of the state, country. or government.
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#159
And what of Keep arms? And what of those instances where persons spoke of the right to bear arms
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#178
If you do not care about the main point of contention in Heller, why bother?
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#183