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BainsBane

(57,759 posts)
161. It is clear if you read
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 01:26 AM
Jun 2013

It's really that simple. The OP was about a corporation distributing high capacity magazines. Who else could I have possibly been referring to? "Pro-murder agenda of the blessed and noble gun lobby" was likewise clear. Standard English grammar exists to facilitate understanding. I do my best to follow it.

The issue highlights a key point of contention many have with subscribers of this group. Every thread criticizing the NRA, gungeoneers come to defend them. Every thread about a gun corporation, gungeoneers defend them over their fellow citizens. That is not something one expects to see from progressives, not just on the gun issue but on any subject matter. Most progressives do not privilege corporations above citizens. I don't understand that kind of point of view. I don't understand how people can privilege anything and everything about guns over their fellow citizens. And no, I don't respect your views. I believe them to be fundamentally immoral. I do not respect a pro-war position or or the GOP determination to eliminate Obamacare and foodstamps. All of those policies cost lives. I'm not going to pretend there is an equivalency between life and death to make you feel better. I have a strong commitment to social justice. Without that, politics are pointless. There is what is just and what is wrong, and and pro-gun position is morally wrong because it results in tens of thousands of deaths a year.

Your view of discussion would require me to abandon any sense of social justice. I will not do that. When I believe a policy is fundamentally immoral and even evil, I have every right to say so. If I did not believe current gun policy to be heinously deadly and unjustifiable, I would not be working for gun control.

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Evil fucks BainsBane Jun 2013 #1
Awww, do you has a sad? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #27
and you aren't saddened by the fact that all that the magazines of choice BainsBane Jun 2013 #29
My, how quickly you lot 'forget' Virginia Tech when the circumstances become inconvenient... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #30
non-sequitur much? BainsBane Jun 2013 #32
Wrong, premium Jun 2013 #35
Oh, I see BainsBane Jun 2013 #36
I didn't adamently oppose most of the SOP, premium Jun 2013 #39
That's too bad BainsBane Jun 2013 #40
I got angry, wrongly admittedly, premium Jun 2013 #44
Your mistake is thinking emotion and fact are separate BainsBane Jun 2013 #54
You're correct mostly, premium Jun 2013 #59
All of us have done something similar BainsBane Jun 2013 #64
and you are not banned from here Duckhunter935 Jun 2013 #105
Someone did tell me I wasn't welcome BainsBane Jun 2013 #108
Nobody told you that. beevul Jun 2013 #143
At your request BainsBane Jun 2013 #144
Nowhere in that post did I state you were unwelcome. beevul Jun 2013 #146
I am perfectly capable of reading BainsBane Jun 2013 #148
Yup, they are, though they wont ignore this like you did - my reply: beevul Jun 2013 #149
My intentions BainsBane Jun 2013 #150
The other group isn't the only one with an SOP. beevul Jun 2013 #157
That was great!!! I iwish I could rec individual posts!! CokeMachine Jun 2013 #158
I thought I was conversing with "pro-gun Democrats" BainsBane Jun 2013 #159
You just can't stop can you. beevul Jun 2013 #160
It is clear if you read BainsBane Jun 2013 #161
You do your best to follow it when it suits you. beevul Jun 2013 #184
WOW -- another home run!! Thank you! CokeMachine Jun 2013 #187
Thanks. beevul Jun 2013 #188
Do a search on that group for the newly banned poster. CokeMachine Jun 2013 #46
Yep, it's there for all to see. premium Jun 2013 #47
Not only that... krispos42 Jun 2013 #109
That's pretty low class gejohnston Jun 2013 #115
*shrug* krispos42 Jun 2013 #117
Not the "impression", so much as the assertion, I think. beevul Jun 2013 #145
Can you post some of those discussions here? Or is that a no-no? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #123
I think I could and be within the rules. krispos42 Jun 2013 #132
I for one would like to see it. beevul Jun 2013 #147
I figured they did, premium Jun 2013 #135
I like the no warning Duckhunter935 Jun 2013 #104
And when somebody gets the nuke... krispos42 Jun 2013 #107
I was ROBBED! I mean literally. My blocking from that group was below rookie. NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #151
When he blocked me, premium Jun 2013 #152
That's more than I got. NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #153
LOL nt. premium Jun 2013 #154
SOP over there, join the club Duckhunter935 Jun 2013 #155
You obviously don't fit the SOP BainsBane Jun 2013 #170
Sorry but no, I was not there to obstruct Duckhunter935 Jun 2013 #179
I see you're *still* misrepresenting other DUers here. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #37
"Demonstrably ineffective" BainsBane Jun 2013 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author premium Jun 2013 #41
This would be a good example BainsBane Jun 2013 #42
Oh bull, I'm stating a fact that goes against your premium Jun 2013 #45
very few BainsBane Jun 2013 #48
Lanza wasn't killed while reloading, he took his own life when premium Jun 2013 #49
Oh right. BainsBane Jun 2013 #52
That is correct, a teacher was able to get several children premium Jun 2013 #56
But we don't want the gun control *they* want- therefore we want none, in their eyes friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #106
"the fact they have no other purpose but mass murder" Pure, unadulterated bullshit. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #50
So what are they used for? BainsBane Jun 2013 #51
When you're at the range or just out in the desert premium Jun 2013 #53
There is an easy solution to that BainsBane Jun 2013 #57
Most shooting ranges don't have storage facilities. Travis_0004 Jun 2013 #127
I don't have Jenoch Jun 2013 #137
Same as me. premium Jun 2013 #138
We have a 100 yard shooting range cut into Jenoch Jun 2013 #140
Primarily? Plinking at (inanimate) targets. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #55
Which is exactly what I said BainsBane Jun 2013 #58
During my 30+ year career as an armed USFS Ranger, premium Jun 2013 #61
Why isn't it workable? BainsBane Jun 2013 #68
Too many hi cap mags in public hands premium Jun 2013 #71
All of the proposed provisions have been for new sales BainsBane Jun 2013 #84
I've come out in favor of a 15 round limit premium Jun 2013 #86
Are there magazines that size? BainsBane Jun 2013 #94
I prefer 20 round magazines Duckhunter935 Jun 2013 #113
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #177
might just work Duckhunter935 Jun 2013 #111
Obviously they are used to murder lots of people BainsBane Jun 2013 #70
See, you're doing it again, premium Jun 2013 #74
The majority don't need to be used in mass murders BainsBane Jun 2013 #89
open to compramise gejohnston Jun 2013 #90
The word is compromise BainsBane Jun 2013 #96
Like what? gejohnston Jun 2013 #101
Yet once again, you refuse to consider the mortality BainsBane Jun 2013 #97
I only consider the effectiveness gejohnston Jun 2013 #100
Less than 3% of the people who die by gunshot isn't 'lots of people' in any meaningful sense. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #193
No, you said is was a "fact they have no other purpose but mass murder." Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #63
Reading is fundamental BainsBane Jun 2013 #69
Ah, so YOU contradict yourself within a single paragraph, and it's MY problem? Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #72
Careful CokeMachine Jun 2013 #73
At least I can read BainsBane Jun 2013 #91
Forgotten more about reading than you'll ever know, Sparky. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #103
You're lecturing me about conversing like an adult? BainsBane Jun 2013 #156
If you're going to call something a "fact," consider selecting things that are, you know...true. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #162
Well you did just that BainsBane Jun 2013 #163
They are very effective for self defense gejohnston Jun 2013 #76
How do you figure that? BainsBane Jun 2013 #92
If they weren't, cops and military wouldn't use them. gejohnston Jun 2013 #98
How can a 30 round magazine Jenoch Jun 2013 #139
Which is why they are standard issue for law enforcement... beevul Jun 2013 #66
Unless you do change the SOP of this group BainsBane Jun 2013 #83
I like having you here Duckhunter935 Jun 2013 #116
Beevul disagrees BainsBane Jun 2013 #120
Reading comprehension is your friend. beevul Jun 2013 #141
Great reply -- wish I had your patience. nt CokeMachine Jun 2013 #142
Society would be a lot better off if cops didn't have such large magazines anyway BainsBane Jun 2013 #85
Even when they had mostly six shot revolvers gejohnston Jun 2013 #87
no doubt BainsBane Jun 2013 #95
Obviously I don't think that BainsBane Jun 2013 #79
Ok, thats a fair point premium Jun 2013 #80
Yep, demonstrably inffective. The VT shooter killed more people w/ smaller magazines. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #43
Know what else killed more people BainsBane Jun 2013 #81
More misrepresentation BainsBane Jun 2013 #82
I'll leave the interpretation of Fox to you. I don't watch it. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #131
And the amendment applied to shit like AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #195
False on every front BainsBane Jun 2013 #78
If you are going to use the term, at least use it correctly oneshooter Jun 2013 #88
Actually it's the Gun Control Reform Activism Group BainsBane Jun 2013 #99
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #102
Well, I have my own name for this group BainsBane Jun 2013 #110
Stick with 'Gungeon'- it has a long history here at DU. You don't... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #112
If you insist on insulting Democrats who support Democratic Party policy BainsBane Jun 2013 #114
"Democratic Party policy" like thinking the Second Amendment protects an individual right? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #118
No one is challenging that BainsBane Jun 2013 #119
Next time a universal background check proposal appears in Congress... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #121
still rewriting history BainsBane Jun 2013 #122
Not a bit. D. Feinstein tried to weld it to an assault weapon ban- and lost big time. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #125
Oh, so your point is not what was it play at the time of the vote? BainsBane Jun 2013 #126
WTF are you talking about? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #128
You've obviously created your own alternate reality BainsBane Jun 2013 #133
"...because we dared to discuss a radical provision passed under George W Bush. " Jenoch Jun 2013 #136
The AWB BainsBane Jun 2013 #178
The AWB was passed and went into effect in 1994. Jenoch Jun 2013 #180
and was renewed under Bush BainsBane Jun 2013 #181
If you are going to discuss Jenoch Jun 2013 #182
I stand corrected BainsBane Jun 2013 #183
"So members here are to the right of George W Bush." Jenoch Jun 2013 #185
It is useful to know, however BainsBane Jun 2013 #124
Please, *do* go on- I'm dying to see where you go with this... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #129
The AWB BainsBane Jun 2013 #164
actually no, gejohnston Jun 2013 #167
and you all oppose that now BainsBane Jun 2013 #168
No because it isn't a right left issue gejohnston Jun 2013 #171
polling data indicates otherwise BainsBane Jun 2013 #172
at one time we did gejohnston Jun 2013 #173
Don't you think that probably makes you more BainsBane Jun 2013 #174
no gejohnston Jun 2013 #175
A reminder... Jenoch Jul 2013 #189
How do you kill 50 children with one 30 round mag? AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #192
magazine of choice? bossy22 Jun 2013 #77
Then we should all get behind changing that BainsBane Jun 2013 #93
Good luck with your "beer keg ban"! friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #130
You're lost again BainsBane Jun 2013 #165
Cheap advertising. nt rrneck Jun 2013 #2
Does that mean they aren't moving out of Colorado? rdharma Jun 2013 #3
They've already started moving their operations to premium Jun 2013 #4
Good! rdharma Jun 2013 #5
Yeah, premium Jun 2013 #6
MagPul wanted to move to a "right to work" minimum wage state! rdharma Jun 2013 #7
And you know they wanted to move premium Jun 2013 #8
Oh, they said that? rdharma Jun 2013 #9
They said it and I'll take their word over yours. premium Jun 2013 #10
Cheap minimum wage non-union labor.... no benefits.... low taxes. rdharma Jun 2013 #11
was it a union shop to begin with? gejohnston Jun 2013 #12
"Colorado has lower taxes" HUH?!!!!!!! rdharma Jun 2013 #13
State income taxes for CO is a flat 4.7 percent gejohnston Jun 2013 #14
It's a manufacturer...... not your personal income taxes! rdharma Jun 2013 #15
Colorado has a lower corporate tax rate than SC hack89 Jun 2013 #19
That seems to have shut him up, certainly on the subject of tax rates DonP Jun 2013 #23
Stag Arms is still in CT as of right now. Lurks Often Jun 2013 #34
You 'bong'ed him pretty good with that gem. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #28
those are lower in CO too. gejohnston Jun 2013 #20
Now that you've conclusively refuted rdharma's argument, I'm confident he'll man up and admit it. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #21
You have no idea what side I'm on premium Jun 2013 #16
Y'all be kind to him- school's out, and he's got a lot of time on his hands. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #31
Most of them have that effect. N/T beevul Jun 2013 #67
As do you all BainsBane Jun 2013 #169
Like you BainsBane Jun 2013 #166
So you are still politically impotent and ineffective but you are more motivated hack89 Jun 2013 #186
Link? ileus Jun 2013 #18
A mag limit of 15 rounds is reasonable under what basis armueller2001 Jun 2013 #24
There are several sites that have pmags in stock now for 15 bucks ileus Jun 2013 #17
mag suckers pulled in by magpul jimmy the one Jun 2013 #22
But wait, there's more! HolyMoley Jun 2013 #25
farewell to con men jimmy the one Jun 2013 #26
Hey JtO, premium Jun 2013 #33
That was a close one for JtO CokeMachine Jun 2013 #60
Yep, premium Jun 2013 #62
for the record jimmy the one Jun 2013 #134
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #176
Bye bye locks Jun 2013 #65
Got any proof of that?? CokeMachine Jun 2013 #75
Aw. Robb Jul 2013 #190
Aww -- you are one to critique!!!! CokeMachine Jul 2013 #191
That was a classic, premium Jul 2013 #194
Aw. Robb Jul 2013 #198
I don't want any gravedancing in the Gungeon over banned members of either side. krispos42 Jul 2013 #210
Heaven forfend. Robb Jul 2013 #211
A 3-year-old link to GD on DU2 is relevant... how? krispos42 Jul 2013 #212
The double standard is remarkable. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #196
Aw. Robb Jul 2013 #197
Thanks for dropping by and... beevul Jul 2013 #199
Were those banned trolls buddies of yours? Robb Jul 2013 #200
Says the one trolling... beevul Jul 2013 #201
I know it is a discussion Progressive Gun Enthusiasts(tm) are loathe to have... Robb Jul 2013 #202
Non sequitur. beevul Jul 2013 #203
You've rather made my point for me. Robb Jul 2013 #204
4 posts now in this thread... beevul Jul 2013 #206
Jury results Adsos Letter Jul 2013 #205
This groups SOP says... beevul Jul 2013 #207
He's just pointing out participants in this thread who have been banned. Adsos Letter Jul 2013 #208
If you say so... beevul Jul 2013 #209
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