Illinois: Phelps files to override Quinn's amendatory veto of concealed carry bill.

[friendly_iconoclast]

36. "People here...insist the right to guns trumps every other right." No, they don't.

You'd have to twist someone's post out of all recognition to make that claim, and
bluntly- I don't think you can.

I agree that you have the right to feel with every fiber of your being that someone else carrying a gun
violates your civil rights- but you can't demonstrate such a violation, and unless and until you do
your claim can be ignored. If someone has a gun legally, and does nothing to you with it, you've nothing to
complain about. In fact, what you've been saying here is in fact an example of Robert Bork's theory
of 'moral harm':

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=335504#335606

43. Strange seeing Robert Bork's theory of moral harm espoused at DU

For those unfamiliar with it, Dan Baum's recent article in Harper's related this to the objection to open carry:


".....My friends who are appalled by the thought of widespread concealed weapons aren't impressed by this argument, or by the research demonstrating no ill effects of the shall-issue revolution. "I don't care," said one. "I don't feel safe knowing that people are walking around with guns. What about my right to feel safe? Doesn't that count for anything?"

Robert Bork tried out that argument in 1971, in defense of prosecuting such victimless crimes as drug abuse, writing in the Indiana Law Journal that “knowledge that an activity is taking place is a harm to those who find it profoundly immoral.”

It’s as bad an argument now as it was then. We may not like it that other people are doing things we revile—smoking pot, enjoying pornography, making gay love, or carrying a gun—but if we aren’t adversely affected by it, the Constitution and common decency argue for leaving it alone. My friend may feel less safe because people are wearing concealed guns, but the data suggest she isn't less safe..."

Which brings up (a) question for you:

1. What harm is had by someone carrying a handgun near you? "It bothers me" hardly qualifies- I'm bothered by overcooked vegetables, but I don't get into a snit if someone else eats them near me.

I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is