Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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68. responsibility to whom?

Reply to Gman (Reply #61)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:38 PM

Jul 2013

And does that include your house?

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The media keeps mentioning that Zimmerman was carrying a "fully loaded pistol with a round ... [View all] spin Jul 2013 OP

When I had a carry permit it was a 1911 cocked and locked with a round in the chamber. nt rrneck Jul 2013 #1

When I first got a carry permit I also carried a cocked and locked 1911 ... spin Jul 2013 #7

I agree rrneck Jul 2013 #31

Hammer down on an empty chamber for single action revolvers tularetom Jul 2013 #2

why I like the New Model Rugers. gejohnston Jul 2013 #4

almost everything the media is saying is wrong gejohnston Jul 2013 #3

oh, wow jehop61 Jul 2013 #5

Oooooooooooooh, the penis reference, premium Jul 2013 #14

Are you projecting?? nt CokeMachine Jul 2013 #75

The round in the chamber isn't what makes Zimmerman look "bloodthirsty"..... rdharma Jul 2013 #6

Bingo. Scuba Jul 2013 #9

I will buy that as I would have never followed Martin ... spin Jul 2013 #11

there is no evidence that he did gejohnston Jul 2013 #22

I think you have followed the trial far closer than I have. ... spin Jul 2013 #51

I watched the whole thing live stream gejohnston Jul 2013 #85

I heard a reporter state that Zimmerman used a TEC-9 yesterday. ... spin Jul 2013 #90

Alan Dershowitz put it best last year. gejohnston Jul 2013 #91

Thanks. That was a very interesting video. (n/t) spin Jul 2013 #92

I don't know gejohnston Jul 2013 #15

I wouldn't call that the truth. rdharma Jul 2013 #21

the trial evidence showed otherwise gejohnston Jul 2013 #27

According to Allan Dershowitz, OJ Simpson was also not guilty! nt rdharma Jul 2013 #32

and? gejohnston Jul 2013 #35

Kinda hard to pound someones head on the sidewalk bunnies Jul 2013 #37

depends on how the body moved. gejohnston Jul 2013 #40

Im going by Zimmermans own account of what happened. bunnies Jul 2013 #41

two. gejohnston Jul 2013 #43

No, they said it was consistent with it. It was also consistent with Zimmerman blm Jul 2013 #108

which one said falling, gejohnston Jul 2013 #112

If that is the case how did TM body get at least 6 feet from the concrete walk? doc03 Jul 2013 #52

the you tube channel "thecount" gejohnston Jul 2013 #87

Wow seems like DiMaio made an awful lot of assumptions to support doc03 Jul 2013 #121

Florida MEs gejohnston Jul 2013 #122

I largely agree. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #24

There isn't a more concise way to state that. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #71

I agree with your assessment. Zimmerman did not Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #115

I concur, re: chance of conviction. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #116

Excellently put. If all CC'ers were like you, we'd have few problems. Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #134

So you agree with Daryl Parks gejohnston Jul 2013 #137

I don't watch commercial TV Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #149

if you have evidence of gejohnston Jul 2013 #150

The trial was a sham. Why are you defending this killer? Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #151

have you watched it? gejohnston Jul 2013 #152

I watched and read enough to see it was a show trial. Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #153

you're part right gejohnston Jul 2013 #154

Only one guy knows the whole story. The one who killed the kid. Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #155

so if some meth head that is larger and gejohnston Jul 2013 #156

Would the trial have Jenoch Jul 2013 #157

Damn, Jenoch, your wit is killing me! Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #159

You could clear things up quite easily. Jenoch Jul 2013 #160

You crack me up! Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #161

I never said anything about her giving up Jenoch Jul 2013 #162

Why would her parents object to her getting US citizenship? Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #163

I have no idea Jenoch Jul 2013 #164

Apart from your assumption that I am not a citizen, your bigotry is in full display. Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #165

Nope, I do nothing of the sort. Jenoch Jul 2013 #166

Yes it does. Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #167

He got canned from the Mirror gejohnston Jul 2013 #168

As I said, I'm not familiar with the man. Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #170

neither, that is between you two. gejohnston Jul 2013 #172

Thanks. I didn't think you were defending his bigotry. Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #175

I'm sorry you misunderstood me. Jenoch Jul 2013 #169

I don't think I misunderstood you at all. Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #171

"Free speech is not something exclusive to US citizens. Neither is the constitution." Jenoch Jul 2013 #173

Right, just that you are offended when non-citizens dare to discuss the constitution. Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #174

Discuss is one thing, Jenoch Jul 2013 #176

By attack, I assume you mean "disagree", or "criticize" Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #178

Yes it was a sham, but not in the way you think. gejohnston Jul 2013 #158

I don't carry anymore, premium Jul 2013 #8

Carrying a round in the chamber is irresponsible Gman Jul 2013 #10

then you might have a talk almost every police force gejohnston Jul 2013 #13

Ha! Like a cop is going to listen Gman Jul 2013 #100

Well, at least the Isreali military agrees with you gejohnston Jul 2013 #101

Is that what you're calling a revolver? Gman Jul 2013 #103

seriously? gejohnston Jul 2013 #107

Yes, I know what a revolver is. I used to own a .357 S&W Gman Jul 2013 #109

not at all, gejohnston Jul 2013 #113

The Israeli are starting to carry chambered handguns dookers Jul 2013 #136

Your bias is showing . . . DragonBorn Jul 2013 #179

I've known and drank beer with many cops over the years Gman Jul 2013 #181

I strongly disagree. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #16

We'll agree to disagree Gman Jul 2013 #102

Works for me! Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #104

Just about every LEO I knew, premium Jul 2013 #17

Guess so Gman Jul 2013 #18

I strongly disagree, premium Jul 2013 #19

I'm sure you think you have more experience Gman Jul 2013 #64

I can't even make that parse. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #83

And you seem to think you have more experience than every law enforcement officer in the country. Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #124

My son in law carries without a round in the chamber. ... spin Jul 2013 #23

Undoubtedly yes. Gman Jul 2013 #26

With the weopon Z was using carrying a round in the chamber is very doc03 Jul 2013 #54

I really haven't paid attention to what kind of gun Z carried as I think that's irrelevant Gman Jul 2013 #67

I agree it is not relevant to the case. But he was carrying a Kel Tech 9mm doc03 Jul 2013 #72

I have a Kel-Tec P3AT. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #96

That's a good thing Gman Jul 2013 #97

All modern design guns are drop safe. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #99

I normally carry a SIG220, 45 cal. I carry 7+1 and use the de-cocking lever to lower the hammer oneshooter Jul 2013 #119

Mr. Mugger, please wait a bit while I rack the slide. (Sarcasm) GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #95

Not even close to the truth. The modern semi-autos with decocking levers make carrying SlimJimmy Jul 2013 #106

What if the first round fails to feed? Hope you got time to clear the malfunction. Skeeter Barnes Jul 2013 #123

Except that this isn't the truth. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #139

The media is, as usual, profoundly ignorant of firearms. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #12

Given that your first responsibility is to retreat Gman Jul 2013 #25

actually no. gejohnston Jul 2013 #28

No, I'm very right Gman Jul 2013 #30

It may be ethical, often it is tactically better, gejohnston Jul 2013 #33

Oh, I think it is. Gman Jul 2013 #36

I agree with that, although that is simply smart. gejohnston Jul 2013 #38

I agree you have a right to take a walk at 3 Gman Jul 2013 #50

vigilante has a specific meaning gejohnston Jul 2013 #55

Are you saying Trayvon should have left the area, since he didn't trust Zimmerman? Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #78

The duty to retreat exists everywhere, all the time in the country Gman Jul 2013 #61

responsibility to whom? gejohnston Jul 2013 #68

No you don't. You may want that to be true, and you may wish that the law SlimJimmy Jul 2013 #111

Again, I strongly disagree. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #29

Retreat may not always be possible. Regardless, if one is aware of their surroundings Gman Jul 2013 #63

That does nothing to help in the scenarios in which there ISN'T time to do so. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #76

Have you ever heard of the Tuller drill? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #98

No but did you see the police video where Gman Jul 2013 #105

that was also rigged gejohnston Jul 2013 #110

Yeah right.. Of course Gman Jul 2013 #127

then you didn't watch the video gejohnston Jul 2013 #129

You convinced me -- not!! nt CokeMachine Jul 2013 #132

That was a rigged test. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #125

Yeah right of course Gman Jul 2013 #126

Then try refuting my list of the ways it was rigged. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #131

Once again you convinced me -- you can do better -- please try. nt CokeMachine Jul 2013 #133

It was 'rigged' in a couple ways. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #140

All of that is irrelevant Gman Jul 2013 #141

it's entirely relevant. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #142

Absolutely. You need time to assess the situation Gman Jul 2013 #143

Entirely true. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #144

It was rigged. DragonBorn Jul 2013 #180

An edged weapon attack can be successful from as much as twenty-five feet away SlimJimmy Jul 2013 #114

I don't think the weopon Z was using has a safety, it's a double action only weopon like my Ruger doc03 Jul 2013 #57

"first responsibility is to retreat" where is that written? oneshooter Jul 2013 #120

Always. When I carry there is a round in the chamber. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #20

While I don't carry a weapon, I do carry a PSD with one in the pipe. ileus Jul 2013 #34

Gun on board 4 more years Jul 2013 #39

you are assuming a lot about a person gejohnston Jul 2013 #42

Zimmerman wasn't following Trayvon........ rdharma Jul 2013 #45

no, I just don't make unfounded assumptions gejohnston Jul 2013 #47

Zimmerman a registered Democrat in Florida? rdharma Jul 2013 #60

sorry Iooked it up gejohnston Jul 2013 #65

Yup! I didn't think you would like to hear about that tactic. rdharma Jul 2013 #69

what ever local were running gejohnston Jul 2013 #73

I can't prove that aliens from outer space crashed at Roswell, NM either...... rdharma Jul 2013 #74

drive to the gejohnston Jul 2013 #80

I choose to carry as often as legally allowed. armueller2001 Jul 2013 #58

To carry or not to carry, you decide. 4 more years Jul 2013 #59

Definitely well trained and prepared armueller2001 Jul 2013 #62

Texas 4 more years Jul 2013 #66

No bunker armueller2001 Jul 2013 #70

I'm confused Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #135

One punch by a 150lb boy knocked stupid George down. 4 more years Jul 2013 #44

didn't follow the trial did you? gejohnston Jul 2013 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author premium Jul 2013 #48

Trainer admits he is a bad trainer 4 more years Jul 2013 #49

When you irresponsibly keep one in the chamber Gman Jul 2013 #53

Looks like George's brother. 4 more years Jul 2013 #56

There was more than one irresponsible thing done in that situation. Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #79

There is nothing remotely "irresponsible" about keeping one in teh chamber. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #82

rifles don't have the safety features pistols have gejohnston Jul 2013 #88

I am discussing carrying a pistol not a rifle. ... spin Jul 2013 #93

What a big badass Gun-toting man you are! MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #77

Nice "contribution" to the thread. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #81

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand another penis reference! premium Jul 2013 #84

thats all they have Duckhunter935 Jul 2013 #86

Thanks for the insult. However, let me point out ... spin Jul 2013 #94

In my experience, a round in the chamber is not at all unusual... S_B_Jackson Jul 2013 #89

The Jury has spoken. jeepnstein Jul 2013 #117

trial by media gejohnston Jul 2013 #118

I've been a hunter at points in my life. Ed Suspicious Jul 2013 #128

Thanks for your comment. ... spin Jul 2013 #130

The decision to carry a concealed weapon has a much different basis S_B_Jackson Jul 2013 #145

I carry a springfield XD 9mm in condition 0. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #138

I like the idea of a grip safety. (n/t) spin Jul 2013 #146

after watching the trial, gejohnston Jul 2013 #147

I doubt it. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #148

I keep saying this but it never sinks in. upaloopa Jul 2013 #177

Perhaps most people where you live feel that way. ... spin Jul 2013 #182

Go somewhere where the public gather and take your gun out of it's hiding place. upaloopa Jul 2013 #184

That's called brandishing your weapon and and will get you in a world of crap with the police ... spin Jul 2013 #185

I was using it as an example. Guns are not popular with upaloopa Jul 2013 #186

That depends on where you live. Montana allows open carry but requires a license to carry ... spin Jul 2013 #187

Carry a semi auto rl6214 Jul 2013 #183