Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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85. I watched the whole thing live stream

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 04:41 PM

Jul 2013

and read some of the legal blogs like Talk Left.

Not only did they not prove their case, their own witnesses backed up the defense, and they had to try to impeach them on redirect. They basically tried to raise reasonable doubt of Z's innocence. Their star witness admitted to lying under oath earlier and was caught in a couple of mis statements otherwise. Even if I remove the evidence that the defense could not get in, yeah I watched those hearings too, and saw just what the jury saw I would have to vote innocent. There were a couple of things that are reversible error. The IT guy ratted out the prosecution for hiding and destroying exculpatory evidence. The guy he ratted out is in deep shit.

I stand by my odds:
0 chance murder two
10 percent manslaughter
80 percent overturn due to misconduct or reversible error.

The five percent increase is based on Trayvon's phone contents.

I long ago came to the conclusion that talking heads were usually full of shit. Be it ignorance or sticking to a narrative, I have no idea. Nancy Grace got in an argument with some guy about if the Kel Teck PF9 has an external safety or not. She was wrong.

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The media keeps mentioning that Zimmerman was carrying a "fully loaded pistol with a round ... [View all] spin Jul 2013 OP

When I had a carry permit it was a 1911 cocked and locked with a round in the chamber. nt rrneck Jul 2013 #1

When I first got a carry permit I also carried a cocked and locked 1911 ... spin Jul 2013 #7

I agree rrneck Jul 2013 #31

Hammer down on an empty chamber for single action revolvers tularetom Jul 2013 #2

why I like the New Model Rugers. gejohnston Jul 2013 #4

almost everything the media is saying is wrong gejohnston Jul 2013 #3

oh, wow jehop61 Jul 2013 #5

Oooooooooooooh, the penis reference, premium Jul 2013 #14

Are you projecting?? nt CokeMachine Jul 2013 #75

The round in the chamber isn't what makes Zimmerman look "bloodthirsty"..... rdharma Jul 2013 #6

Bingo. Scuba Jul 2013 #9

I will buy that as I would have never followed Martin ... spin Jul 2013 #11

there is no evidence that he did gejohnston Jul 2013 #22

I think you have followed the trial far closer than I have. ... spin Jul 2013 #51

I watched the whole thing live stream gejohnston Jul 2013 #85

I heard a reporter state that Zimmerman used a TEC-9 yesterday. ... spin Jul 2013 #90

Alan Dershowitz put it best last year. gejohnston Jul 2013 #91

Thanks. That was a very interesting video. (n/t) spin Jul 2013 #92

I don't know gejohnston Jul 2013 #15

I wouldn't call that the truth. rdharma Jul 2013 #21

the trial evidence showed otherwise gejohnston Jul 2013 #27

According to Allan Dershowitz, OJ Simpson was also not guilty! nt rdharma Jul 2013 #32

and? gejohnston Jul 2013 #35

Kinda hard to pound someones head on the sidewalk bunnies Jul 2013 #37

depends on how the body moved. gejohnston Jul 2013 #40

Im going by Zimmermans own account of what happened. bunnies Jul 2013 #41

two. gejohnston Jul 2013 #43

No, they said it was consistent with it. It was also consistent with Zimmerman blm Jul 2013 #108

which one said falling, gejohnston Jul 2013 #112

If that is the case how did TM body get at least 6 feet from the concrete walk? doc03 Jul 2013 #52

the you tube channel "thecount" gejohnston Jul 2013 #87

Wow seems like DiMaio made an awful lot of assumptions to support doc03 Jul 2013 #121

Florida MEs gejohnston Jul 2013 #122

I largely agree. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #24

There isn't a more concise way to state that. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #71

I agree with your assessment. Zimmerman did not Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #115

I concur, re: chance of conviction. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #116

Excellently put. If all CC'ers were like you, we'd have few problems. Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #134

So you agree with Daryl Parks gejohnston Jul 2013 #137

I don't watch commercial TV Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #149

if you have evidence of gejohnston Jul 2013 #150

The trial was a sham. Why are you defending this killer? Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #151

have you watched it? gejohnston Jul 2013 #152

I watched and read enough to see it was a show trial. Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #153

you're part right gejohnston Jul 2013 #154

Only one guy knows the whole story. The one who killed the kid. Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #155

so if some meth head that is larger and gejohnston Jul 2013 #156

Would the trial have Jenoch Jul 2013 #157

Damn, Jenoch, your wit is killing me! Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #159

You could clear things up quite easily. Jenoch Jul 2013 #160

You crack me up! Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #161

I never said anything about her giving up Jenoch Jul 2013 #162

Why would her parents object to her getting US citizenship? Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #163

I have no idea Jenoch Jul 2013 #164

Apart from your assumption that I am not a citizen, your bigotry is in full display. Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #165

Nope, I do nothing of the sort. Jenoch Jul 2013 #166

Yes it does. Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #167

He got canned from the Mirror gejohnston Jul 2013 #168

As I said, I'm not familiar with the man. Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #170

neither, that is between you two. gejohnston Jul 2013 #172

Thanks. I didn't think you were defending his bigotry. Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #175

I'm sorry you misunderstood me. Jenoch Jul 2013 #169

I don't think I misunderstood you at all. Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #171

"Free speech is not something exclusive to US citizens. Neither is the constitution." Jenoch Jul 2013 #173

Right, just that you are offended when non-citizens dare to discuss the constitution. Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #174

Discuss is one thing, Jenoch Jul 2013 #176

By attack, I assume you mean "disagree", or "criticize" Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #178

Yes it was a sham, but not in the way you think. gejohnston Jul 2013 #158

I don't carry anymore, premium Jul 2013 #8

Carrying a round in the chamber is irresponsible Gman Jul 2013 #10

then you might have a talk almost every police force gejohnston Jul 2013 #13

Ha! Like a cop is going to listen Gman Jul 2013 #100

Well, at least the Isreali military agrees with you gejohnston Jul 2013 #101

Is that what you're calling a revolver? Gman Jul 2013 #103

seriously? gejohnston Jul 2013 #107

Yes, I know what a revolver is. I used to own a .357 S&W Gman Jul 2013 #109

not at all, gejohnston Jul 2013 #113

The Israeli are starting to carry chambered handguns dookers Jul 2013 #136

Your bias is showing . . . DragonBorn Jul 2013 #179

I've known and drank beer with many cops over the years Gman Jul 2013 #181

I strongly disagree. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #16

We'll agree to disagree Gman Jul 2013 #102

Works for me! Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #104

Just about every LEO I knew, premium Jul 2013 #17

Guess so Gman Jul 2013 #18

I strongly disagree, premium Jul 2013 #19

I'm sure you think you have more experience Gman Jul 2013 #64

I can't even make that parse. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #83

And you seem to think you have more experience than every law enforcement officer in the country. Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #124

My son in law carries without a round in the chamber. ... spin Jul 2013 #23

Undoubtedly yes. Gman Jul 2013 #26

With the weopon Z was using carrying a round in the chamber is very doc03 Jul 2013 #54

I really haven't paid attention to what kind of gun Z carried as I think that's irrelevant Gman Jul 2013 #67

I agree it is not relevant to the case. But he was carrying a Kel Tech 9mm doc03 Jul 2013 #72

I have a Kel-Tec P3AT. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #96

That's a good thing Gman Jul 2013 #97

All modern design guns are drop safe. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #99

I normally carry a SIG220, 45 cal. I carry 7+1 and use the de-cocking lever to lower the hammer oneshooter Jul 2013 #119

Mr. Mugger, please wait a bit while I rack the slide. (Sarcasm) GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #95

Not even close to the truth. The modern semi-autos with decocking levers make carrying SlimJimmy Jul 2013 #106

What if the first round fails to feed? Hope you got time to clear the malfunction. Skeeter Barnes Jul 2013 #123

Except that this isn't the truth. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #139

The media is, as usual, profoundly ignorant of firearms. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #12

Given that your first responsibility is to retreat Gman Jul 2013 #25

actually no. gejohnston Jul 2013 #28

No, I'm very right Gman Jul 2013 #30

It may be ethical, often it is tactically better, gejohnston Jul 2013 #33

Oh, I think it is. Gman Jul 2013 #36

I agree with that, although that is simply smart. gejohnston Jul 2013 #38

I agree you have a right to take a walk at 3 Gman Jul 2013 #50

vigilante has a specific meaning gejohnston Jul 2013 #55

Are you saying Trayvon should have left the area, since he didn't trust Zimmerman? Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #78

The duty to retreat exists everywhere, all the time in the country Gman Jul 2013 #61

responsibility to whom? gejohnston Jul 2013 #68

No you don't. You may want that to be true, and you may wish that the law SlimJimmy Jul 2013 #111

Again, I strongly disagree. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #29

Retreat may not always be possible. Regardless, if one is aware of their surroundings Gman Jul 2013 #63

That does nothing to help in the scenarios in which there ISN'T time to do so. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #76

Have you ever heard of the Tuller drill? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #98

No but did you see the police video where Gman Jul 2013 #105

that was also rigged gejohnston Jul 2013 #110

Yeah right.. Of course Gman Jul 2013 #127

then you didn't watch the video gejohnston Jul 2013 #129

You convinced me -- not!! nt CokeMachine Jul 2013 #132

That was a rigged test. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #125

Yeah right of course Gman Jul 2013 #126

Then try refuting my list of the ways it was rigged. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #131

Once again you convinced me -- you can do better -- please try. nt CokeMachine Jul 2013 #133

It was 'rigged' in a couple ways. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #140

All of that is irrelevant Gman Jul 2013 #141

it's entirely relevant. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #142

Absolutely. You need time to assess the situation Gman Jul 2013 #143

Entirely true. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #144

It was rigged. DragonBorn Jul 2013 #180

An edged weapon attack can be successful from as much as twenty-five feet away SlimJimmy Jul 2013 #114

I don't think the weopon Z was using has a safety, it's a double action only weopon like my Ruger doc03 Jul 2013 #57

"first responsibility is to retreat" where is that written? oneshooter Jul 2013 #120

Always. When I carry there is a round in the chamber. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #20

While I don't carry a weapon, I do carry a PSD with one in the pipe. ileus Jul 2013 #34

Gun on board 4 more years Jul 2013 #39

you are assuming a lot about a person gejohnston Jul 2013 #42

Zimmerman wasn't following Trayvon........ rdharma Jul 2013 #45

no, I just don't make unfounded assumptions gejohnston Jul 2013 #47

Zimmerman a registered Democrat in Florida? rdharma Jul 2013 #60

sorry Iooked it up gejohnston Jul 2013 #65

Yup! I didn't think you would like to hear about that tactic. rdharma Jul 2013 #69

what ever local were running gejohnston Jul 2013 #73

I can't prove that aliens from outer space crashed at Roswell, NM either...... rdharma Jul 2013 #74

drive to the gejohnston Jul 2013 #80

I choose to carry as often as legally allowed. armueller2001 Jul 2013 #58

To carry or not to carry, you decide. 4 more years Jul 2013 #59

Definitely well trained and prepared armueller2001 Jul 2013 #62

Texas 4 more years Jul 2013 #66

No bunker armueller2001 Jul 2013 #70

I'm confused Starboard Tack Jul 2013 #135

One punch by a 150lb boy knocked stupid George down. 4 more years Jul 2013 #44

didn't follow the trial did you? gejohnston Jul 2013 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author premium Jul 2013 #48

Trainer admits he is a bad trainer 4 more years Jul 2013 #49

When you irresponsibly keep one in the chamber Gman Jul 2013 #53

Looks like George's brother. 4 more years Jul 2013 #56

There was more than one irresponsible thing done in that situation. Travis_0004 Jul 2013 #79

There is nothing remotely "irresponsible" about keeping one in teh chamber. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #82

rifles don't have the safety features pistols have gejohnston Jul 2013 #88

I am discussing carrying a pistol not a rifle. ... spin Jul 2013 #93

What a big badass Gun-toting man you are! MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #77

Nice "contribution" to the thread. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #81

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand another penis reference! premium Jul 2013 #84

thats all they have Duckhunter935 Jul 2013 #86

Thanks for the insult. However, let me point out ... spin Jul 2013 #94

In my experience, a round in the chamber is not at all unusual... S_B_Jackson Jul 2013 #89

The Jury has spoken. jeepnstein Jul 2013 #117

trial by media gejohnston Jul 2013 #118

I've been a hunter at points in my life. Ed Suspicious Jul 2013 #128

Thanks for your comment. ... spin Jul 2013 #130

The decision to carry a concealed weapon has a much different basis S_B_Jackson Jul 2013 #145

I carry a springfield XD 9mm in condition 0. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #138

I like the idea of a grip safety. (n/t) spin Jul 2013 #146

after watching the trial, gejohnston Jul 2013 #147

I doubt it. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #148

I keep saying this but it never sinks in. upaloopa Jul 2013 #177

Perhaps most people where you live feel that way. ... spin Jul 2013 #182

Go somewhere where the public gather and take your gun out of it's hiding place. upaloopa Jul 2013 #184

That's called brandishing your weapon and and will get you in a world of crap with the police ... spin Jul 2013 #185

I was using it as an example. Guns are not popular with upaloopa Jul 2013 #186

That depends on where you live. Montana allows open carry but requires a license to carry ... spin Jul 2013 #187

Carry a semi auto rl6214 Jul 2013 #183