Gun Control & RKBA

Clames

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40. Actually...it's probably considerably larger...

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 12:25 AM

Feb 2012

...than a .50 Caliber. Something in the 20mm - 30mm range more than likely.

History lesson time.

Smooth bore sniper/anti-material rifles are not exactly a new concept. Steyr developed a 15.2mm APFSDS (armor-piercing, fin-stabilized, discarding sabot) rifle in the 1980's called the IWS 2000. Basically a man-portable variant of a tank cannon. Tanks have used the smooth bore design for decades (1960's Soviet T-62's were the first) as the system allows considerable flexibility in ammunition design. What you are looking at is the progressive miniaturization of guidance systems but even at best they are still going to be packaged in weapon system costing tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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A newer, smarter bullet [View all] Glassunion Feb 2012 OP

Shoot, manufacturers already have 31 round magazines and smooth bore rifles on drawing board. Hoyt Feb 2012 #1

why would you want smoothbore rifles gejohnston Feb 2012 #5

"smoothbore rifle"? good oxymoron JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2012 #25

I'm sure those 'smoothbore rifles' will have shoulder things that go up... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #26

I just hope they use bullet clips ;) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #28

I get that gejohnston Feb 2012 #35

I have a reproduction CVA 1860 Colt michreject Feb 2012 #46

For years, controller/prohibitionists have said 2A was about "flintlocks," "muskets," etc.... SteveW Feb 2012 #51

It pays to read... Glassunion Feb 2012 #6

Just when I think you cannot get any more inane... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #10

Smooth bore rifles? Callisto32 Feb 2012 #12

"smooth bore rifles"? PavePusher Feb 2012 #13

Maybe we can attach tiny dynamos to his typing fingers? Callisto32 Feb 2012 #16

Ahem, I did say "useful". ;>) n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #32

In the rack, next to rifled smoothbore muskets, krispos42 Feb 2012 #67

Hoyt, you are good entertainment, but you should have read the article. ManiacJoe Feb 2012 #14

and another post made without anything being said except rl6214 Feb 2012 #17

oh Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #24

Again, showing your total ignorance. TheWraith Feb 2012 #43

How the hell do you paint someone with a laser designator, if you can't see them? AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #44

So many words to make no point at all. Union Scribe Feb 2012 #65

No need to spend a lot of time on posting to "flat earthers. " Hoyt Feb 2012 #66

The NRA is now, probably, trying to get it sold on the open market. demosincebirth Feb 2012 #2

and you base this statement on what? liberal_biker Feb 2012 #11

I was being facetious. I thought it would be quite obvious...guess I was wrong. demosincebirth Feb 2012 #38

Sadly no.... liberal_biker Feb 2012 #45

That doesn't even make sense. Callisto32 Feb 2012 #18

Why would the NRA want to get sold on the open market rl6214 Feb 2012 #20

Jeez, see my edit. demosincebirth Feb 2012 #39

Jeez, edited at 7:10pm when my post was at 3:25pm rl6214 Feb 2012 #41

Better late than never. Thanks for your post otherwise I wouldn't have noticed it. demosincebirth Feb 2012 #42

Hey, all in good fun rl6214 Feb 2012 #47

oh Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #23

What, are they doing an IPO? PavePusher Feb 2012 #29

I don't see why not. liberal_biker Feb 2012 #3

kind of moot for now. gejohnston Feb 2012 #4

They really only need one customer. jeepnstein Feb 2012 #21

Gun control zipplewrath Feb 2012 #7

Personally I see it as more of a Sniper/Scout or Hunter/Guide weapon. Glassunion Feb 2012 #8

What's the caliber of the projectile including sabot? MicaelS Feb 2012 #9

Not if it isn't a cartridge? Callisto32 Feb 2012 #15

From the photo, I would guess less than .50. Glassunion Feb 2012 #19

OK, so you're putting food on the table... MicaelS Feb 2012 #22

Not sure, as there is no price tag on it at the moment. Glassunion Feb 2012 #34

Actually...it's probably considerably larger... Clames Feb 2012 #40

I'm going to respectfully disagree with you on the size... Glassunion Feb 2012 #58

I hope this doesn't become available to the public in my lifetime tularetom Feb 2012 #27

Nah - you can still hunt with lower tech items. liberal_biker Feb 2012 #30

How so? Only the very wealthy would be able to afford it, and practical issues.... PavePusher Feb 2012 #31

That's not sporting jpak Feb 2012 #33

Not meant to be n/t liberal_biker Feb 2012 #36

"Sporting" is for people who don't have to think about where next months' meals are coming from. PavePusher Feb 2012 #37

I know of no hunters who do it for food. Logical Feb 2012 #48

I know several. jeepnstein Feb 2012 #50

Pleased to meet you. Glassunion Feb 2012 #59

So he has no money for food? That is a tough life. I wish him well. Logical Feb 2012 #60

There is a difference between Glassunion Feb 2012 #61

I can't agree with your characterization of "sporting..." SteveW Feb 2012 #52

Nothing new here DWC Feb 2012 #49

The bigger issue here. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #53

Scew all that.... Glassunion Feb 2012 #54

Why should we be? liberal_biker Feb 2012 #55

Exactly my point. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #56

Ah - i misunderstood. liberal_biker Feb 2012 #57

Something that strikes me about that image is that the bullet seems to have petronius Feb 2012 #62

Yes, that was an odd flight path. ManiacJoe Feb 2012 #63

I imagine it has to do with the over-correcting they mentioned: petronius Feb 2012 #64

I don't see any real use for it. GreenStormCloud Feb 2012 #68

Not as an individual weapon, but as the basis of an antiaircraft/antimissile CIWS. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #69

Why would anyone oppose... Dissonance Feb 2012 #70