Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: The meaning of the Second Amendment (One Perspective) [View all]jimmy the one
(2,712 posts)tocqueville: 3) " the right of the people to keep and bear Arms": this is also very simple to understand, it simply mean that people have the right to get, and keep weapons.
Does 'get' equate to 'keep'? and 'keep' equates to 'bear'? Shouldn't keep equate to keep?
tocqueville: Bear: have >>> Even revisionist historian scalia disputes you on this, saying in heller, that 'bear' when applied with 'bear arms' meant in a confrontational sense. People carry concealed firearms, they rarely bear them.
tocqu: 4) "shall not be infringed": .. can not be transgressed and/or invalidated. 1. To transgress or exceed the limits of; violate: infringe a contract; infringe a patent. 2. Obsolete To defeat; invalidate.
The above defs are valid, but you are apparently using American Heritage or Free Dictionary, try using a more era contemporary one 1828 websters: http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/search/word,arms
tocq: Now that we have defined the vocabulary of the second amendment using an English dictionary,
You used a modern dictionary, & picked your own definitions of several words. Renders your work unscientific for the era & prone to bias & of questionable value. For instance, webster's dictionary contemporary to 1828:
Arms: 1. Weapons of offense, or armor for defense and protection of the body. 2. War; hostility. To be in arms, to be in a state of hostility, or in a military life. To arms is a phrase which denotes a taking arms for war or hostility; particularly, a summoning to war. To take arms, is to arm for attack or defense. Bred to arms denotes that a person has been educated to the profession of a soldier.
4. In law, arms are any thing which a man takes in his hand in anger, to strike or assault another.. Sire arms, are such as may be charged with powder, as cannon, muskets, mortars, &c. A stand of arms consists of a musket, bayonet, cartridge-box and belt, with a sword. But for common soldiers a sword is not necessary.
From the above relevant definition of arms by webster in 1828, scalia concluded that the right to 'bear arms' meant as individuals disconnected from militia service - Revisionism at it's finest worst.
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