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jimmy the one

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22. 2ndA is obsolete & antiquated
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 05:39 PM
Jul 2013

N-Unicorn: I read in another thread that the 2nd A was enacted to.. The author of the opinion went on to say that the 2A was in no way meant to be a guard against the government.
I find this incredible because looking at the rest of the Bill of Rights every amendment is one declaration of "we don't trust government" after another.


I think you might be conflating two separate concepts. Firstly, the author you mention probably meant to say the 2nd amendment's purpose was not to guard against a tyrannical domestic, or perhaps foreign govt, dunno his intent.. You might be conflating this concept with the bor amendments being restrictions on the govt (congress) - what you called guarding against govt; do you think this the case?

uni: I read in another thread that the 2nd A was enacted to create a militia in lieu of a standing army but with the advent of modern militaries we no longer require militias for national defense ergo the 2A is obsolete.

Not only that, but since the 1903 militia act, there has been no 'well regulated' citizens militia as spelled out in the 2nd Amendment. Since the rationale for RKBA has collapsed into oblivion, so should the 2ndA, since it has become obsolete & worthless. You no more need the 2ndA to purchase a firearm today than you need first amendment rights to talk to yourself.
.. Today, the 2ndA emboldens americans to be able to own & practice with military style assault rifles, while not ever being obligated to serve one, single, day, in a well regulated militia or army or navy or national guard unit. To suggest this was the intent of 2ndA is absurd.

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Our right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness depends on protecting ourselves. ileus Jul 2013 #1
It is different than all the others you listed, safeinOhio Jul 2013 #2
It also secures "the right of the people" in the same context as every other usage of the term. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #3
Agreed; k&r discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #4
I think it is pretty clear that the 2nd Amendment was aimed at individual rights. McPops Jul 2013 #5
Welcome discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #6
There have been many so far. oneshooter Jul 2013 #7
Welcome. This thread is a necessary reinforcement of Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #11
Agreed. In fact, it's not possible to parse the language any other way... Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #12
nuclear option jimmy the one Jul 2013 #8
Um...no. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #13
That explains why post-BoR state constitutions clarified matters. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #37
Of course the 2nd was a guard against the govt. It was intended to keep the jmg257 Jul 2013 #9
The "negative" language of the Second as well as the other rights... Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #10
I would buttress your argument with the observation Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #14
Purposes of the Militias...and "a free State"... jmg257 Jul 2013 #15
I would agree with your "offset" argument. In fact.... Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #16
It's for defense either national or personal or anything in between. nt rrneck Jul 2013 #17
The 2nd didn't put exclusive power in the hands of the govt (never actually heard anyone say this). jmg257 Jul 2013 #18
Magic Time jimmy the one Jul 2013 #19
I'm not seeing that as a refutation of my premise. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #20
miller 1939 jimmy the one Jul 2013 #21
"The heller decision was split along political lines, 5-4." Irrelevant Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #24
Magic jimmy can talk out of his a*# hansberrym Jul 2013 #32
behold, a real magician jimmy the one Jul 2013 #33
Of course you didn't know... that Sam Adams was not among the minority of Pennsylvania? hansberrym Jul 2013 #34
mensheviks jimmy the one Jul 2013 #35
Magic jimmy's "likely hypothesis "... hansberrym Jul 2013 #36
my friends & countrymen jimmy the one Jul 2013 #39
untenable and transparent indeed! hansberrym Jul 2013 #40
Hansel & Prattle jimmy the one Jul 2013 #42
Jimmy dear... it may take you a little longer than the other boys and girls to catch on hansberrym Jul 2013 #43
Tee Hee... I see where you went off track, it could have happened to anyone! hansberrym Jul 2013 #44
Holy crap, you actually used the reply button correctly for once! good job! AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #38
I suppose... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #41
2ndA is obsolete & antiquated jimmy the one Jul 2013 #22
Semi-auto long rifles are not "military style assault weapons" except in appearance Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #23
It is a shame the 2nd does not explicitly assign the right Riftaxe Jul 2013 #28
miller was apolitical jimmy the one Jul 2013 #25
. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #26
2ndA oblivion jimmy the one Jul 2013 #29
No, the RKBA is as relevant today as ever. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #30
Thats a matter of opinion. beevul Jul 2013 #31
lyao? why? jimmy the one Jul 2013 #46
I guess that is as close as you will come to admitting your errors. hansberrym Jul 2013 #47
colonectomy needed jimmy the one Jul 2013 #49
unbelieveable indeed! hansberrym Jul 2013 #52
Hansel & Prattle II jimmy the one Jul 2013 #45
jimmy logic: If its the first one listed, then it is the first one! hansberrym Jul 2013 #48
OOC again, & dissimilar jimmy the one Jul 2013 #50
Did you just discover that? Really? hansberrym Jul 2013 #51
mad brigade jimmy the one Jul 2013 #54
Did you just discover that? Really? The Sequel hansberrym Jul 2013 #57
It's almost as if the Bill of Rights was written Riftaxe Jul 2013 #27
It can be if one thinks of it as this: Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2013 #53
It's right there in the preamble.. X_Digger Jul 2013 #55
Yup. beevul Jul 2013 #56
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