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Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: The meaning of the Second Amendment (One Perspective) [View all]jmg257
(11,996 posts)164. I don't think I ever said rkba was limited to service in a state militia.
I originally said, waaay up there somewhere, that:
"Quite a number of people will tell you "to bear arms" means "to serve in a martial role"."
And included numerous examples showing statements made where the two were indeed equated...where "bearing arms" is equated with the militia.
I...jump to THAT conlusion, because that is the only purpose for securing the rkba in the 2nd that is discussed in 'all' the associated debates.
Mr. Boudinot thought the provision in the clause {religious exemption} or something similar to it, was necessary. Can any dependence, said he, be placed in men who are conscientious in this respect? or what justice can there be in compelling them to bear arms, when, according to their religious principles, they would rather die than use them? He adverted to several instances of oppression on this point, that occurred during the war. In forming a militia, an effectual defence ought to be calculated, and no characters of this religious description ought to be compelled to take up arms. I hope that in establishing this Government, we may show the world that proper care is taken that the Government may not interfere with the religious sentiments of any person. Now, by striking out the clause, people may be led to believe that there is an intention in the General Government to compel all its citizens to bear arms
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I do however conclude that if the congress was NOT given regulation powers over the militia, that there would be no 2nd amendment.
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#56
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rdharma
Jun 2013
#6
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, ........
rdharma
Jun 2013
#33
Careful - Congress was NOT given power to create the militias - only to organize/regulate
jmg257
Jun 2013
#79
Without the right to life, and thus the ability to defend it no other rights matter.
ileus
Jun 2013
#65
Never underestimate the importance of the regulated militias. And of course the necessity to remove
jmg257
Jun 2013
#68
And no mention that the RKBA was understoood as exclusively for militia service
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#142
That is all well and good, but your argument is that the militia is the ONLY purpose to
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#156
...the right of the people to keep and serve in the militia, shall not be infringed ?
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#173
Not sure what you mean "to the terms" -do you mean keeping and bearing arms?
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#184
Of course A1/S8 talks of the people keeping arms..."organizing arming & disciplining the militias",
jmg257
Jul 2013
#185
Thanks - I didn't know there was a fund involved in getting someone to take your place.
jmg257
Jul 2013
#189
I'd vote for State being one of the 13 states in the union, and MAYBE also the Republic.
jmg257
Jul 2013
#152
Yes, same for all in that it describes the character of the state, country. or government.
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#159
And what of Keep arms? And what of those instances where persons spoke of the right to bear arms
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#178
If you do not care about the main point of contention in Heller, why bother?
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#183