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In reply to the discussion: The meaning of the Second Amendment (One Perspective) [View all]jmg257
(11,996 posts)186. Why bother? Cause I think it is interesting as hell.
The whole militia concept, the scope of their responsibilities, the rights secured because of it, the people's changing roles, the people's changing notions, various people's take on it all, &c.
Courts are so finicky:
"In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a "shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length" at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument. Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment, or that its use could contribute to the common defense.
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With obvious purpose to assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of such forces {the militia}, the declaration and guarantee of the Second Amendment were made. It must be interpreted and applied with that end in view."
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With obvious purpose to assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of such forces {the militia}, the declaration and guarantee of the Second Amendment were made. It must be interpreted and applied with that end in view."
Collective theory is a reasonable one. Backed by numerous facts/examples. As is the individual rights theory, unsupported as it is by the clearly articulated purpose of the 2nd.
Yes...yet once again, the courts have ruled, the people have/will decide.
This horse, it seems, is tits up too.
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The Girandoni Repeating Rifle appeared in the US prior to the ratification.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#85
The guy who played Scottie in the original Star Trek took six MG rounds on Juno Beach.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
Jun 2013
#59
Eddy Albert was the real deal at Tarawa. It's good to see that he had a successful film career.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#62
1776 - first amphibious raid at Fort Nassau, Bahamas. They captured the Governor and took 100 guns.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#56
I've got to say..... the 3rd Amendment has kept the redbacks from quartering troops at my house!
rdharma
Jun 2013
#6
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, ........
rdharma
Jun 2013
#33
Careful - Congress was NOT given power to create the militias - only to organize/regulate
jmg257
Jun 2013
#79
Without the right to life, and thus the ability to defend it no other rights matter.
ileus
Jun 2013
#65
Never underestimate the importance of the regulated militias. And of course the necessity to remove
jmg257
Jun 2013
#68
And no mention that the RKBA was understoood as exclusively for militia service
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#142
That is all well and good, but your argument is that the militia is the ONLY purpose to
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#156
...the right of the people to keep and serve in the militia, shall not be infringed ?
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#173
Not sure what you mean "to the terms" -do you mean keeping and bearing arms?
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#184
Of course A1/S8 talks of the people keeping arms..."organizing arming & disciplining the militias",
jmg257
Jul 2013
#185
Thanks - I didn't know there was a fund involved in getting someone to take your place.
jmg257
Jul 2013
#189
I'd vote for State being one of the 13 states in the union, and MAYBE also the Republic.
jmg257
Jul 2013
#152
Yes, same for all in that it describes the character of the state, country. or government.
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#159
And what of Keep arms? And what of those instances where persons spoke of the right to bear arms
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#178
If you do not care about the main point of contention in Heller, why bother?
hansberrym
Jul 2013
#183