The meaning of the Second Amendment (One Perspective)

[jimmy the one]

187. poor rebuttal

hans: I ask what proof can you provide that Coxe was responding specifically and exclusively to Adams' right to arms proposal. And all you can say is: where else did Coxe get his view that the federal congress could not infringe on militia? ..beyond lame.

Calling it lame is lame, since Coxe repeated quite closely everything the Sam Adams' proposal entailed wrt rkba, with the glaring exception that Coxe referred to Adams' 'the people' as 'the militia', in the vernacular of the times. Coxe even clarified it 'are they {militia} not ourselves'? Sam Adams likely would've agreed.

hans: .. he {coxe} could have not have got it from the any of the anti-federalists decrying the specific powers that the US Const. actually granted to Congress over the militia.

HUH??? dunno if you're blowing smoke or too tired; if I follow you correct, you say Coxe might've been arguing with antifeds who contended congress had too much power over the militia, when coxe wrote this???: Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every terrible implement of the soldier are the birthright of Americans.

Then upon what basis would coxe be asserting that to antifeds? the official basis could only have been, at the time feb1788, sam adams' proposal-first draft of 2ndA, which essentially said Congress had no power to disarm 'the people'.

hans: And the fact that Adams' proposal can be seen as embodying the 1st,2nd and 4th amendments, is not the same as it actually being a draft of any of those amendments. Silly word games is all you have.

That's IMMATERIAL, whether a draft or final. Sam Adams wrote it & Tench Coxe was referencing it within 2 weeks. That you use this pathetic tapdance demonstrates you haven't much rebuttal of what is being argued, you're backed into blowing smoke to hide the fact you're cornered.
Sam Adam's proposal, not the bleatings of anti-feds, was the basis for which Tench Coxe wrote that Congress had no power to disarm the militia.