Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: I find it hard to believe the the 2nd Amendment is exclusively for national defense [View all]jimmy the one
(2,844 posts)hans cites tench coxe, feb20,1788: What clause in the state or constitution hath given away that important right .... {T}he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the foederal or state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.
You couldn't be more helpful today, hans; you bolster my point that coxe was referring to militia as 'the people', since, while Sam Adams vouched for the 'foederal' govt in his first 2ndA draft, the particular state constitutions vouch for the states. Abracadabra.
.. Tell us hans, which of the following violates what coxe said above? Answer Tench Coxe' own words, what clause in the state or constitution hath given away that important right'? And since half the states mention ONLY the militia, Coxe is obviously speaking of the militia as 'the people' as having the right to bear arms. BEHOLD:
MASSACHUSETTS (Oct25, 1780) The people have a right to keep and bear arms for the common defence.
VIRGINIA: (June12, 1776) That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state; (standing army clauses omitted in all)
DELAWARE (Sep11, 1776) That a well-regulated militia is the proper, natural and safe defence of a free government.
PENNSYLVANIA (Sep28, 1776) XIII. That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state; (includes civilian use)
MARYLAND (Nov11, 1776) That a well-regulated militia is the proper and natural defence of a free government.
NORTH CAROLINA (Dec18, 1776) That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of the State;
NEW HAMPSHIRE (Jun2, 1784) A well regulated militia is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a state.
NEW YORK CONVENTION (Jul26,1788 - albeit 5 months after coxe quote)That the people have the right to keep and bear arms; that a well-regulated militia, including the body of the people capable of bearing arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state.
Dunno what you thought you were proving, hans. Expecting others to be mind readers, perhaps, for it's generally incumbent upon 'you' to explain your reasoning.
And do note the term 'free state' in new yorks. Thanks a bunch.