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jimmy the one

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39. my friends & countrymen
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 06:21 AM
Jul 2013

hans: You cited Sam Adams, though leaving off the relevant portion which indicated exactly who Coxe was responding to.

ABRACADABRA! Hiding in PLAIN SIGHT, hans sinks like a lead balloon: The power of the sword, say the minority of Pennsylvania, is in the hands of Congress. My friends and countrymen , it is not so, for the powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from 16 to 60. The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? .. Congress has no power to disarm the militia.

Now do you see what I meant all along, hans? Who pray tell, was Tench Coxe addressing in his speech/writing, using Sam Adams 2ndA draft as a basis? My {His} friends and countrymen, that's who Coxe was addressing, plain as day, how'd you miss it thou who readest so well? So I didn't 'leave off' to whom Coxe was addressing, did I?
.. This is what generally happens to charlatans, they get exposed sooner or later as their spindoctoring becomes more untenable & apparent.

hans: And you did contend that he was addressing Sam Adam's writing of two weeks prior: "Note that in the first draft of 2ndA above, there is no mention of a militia - sam adams simply said congress could not 'prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms'. In response to this proposed amendment/draft, tench coxe wrote 2 wks later feb20,1788"

.. more of hans delusionary spindoctoring; Coxe was not addressing Sam Adams personally, he was referencing his 2ndA draft. Most readers will understand that 'in response to (Sam Adams) proposed amendment' coxe was alluding to it, & addressed his concerns to his 'friends & countrymen'.

hans: So sober up, take a long nap, or do whatever it is you need to do to bring yourself back to reality.

I'd say the same to you now that you've been exposed again, but I doubt it would help.
Worth a try, tho.

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Our right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness depends on protecting ourselves. ileus Jul 2013 #1
It is different than all the others you listed, safeinOhio Jul 2013 #2
It also secures "the right of the people" in the same context as every other usage of the term. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #3
Agreed; k&r discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #4
I think it is pretty clear that the 2nd Amendment was aimed at individual rights. McPops Jul 2013 #5
Welcome discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #6
There have been many so far. oneshooter Jul 2013 #7
Welcome. This thread is a necessary reinforcement of Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #11
Agreed. In fact, it's not possible to parse the language any other way... Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #12
nuclear option jimmy the one Jul 2013 #8
Um...no. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #13
That explains why post-BoR state constitutions clarified matters. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #37
Of course the 2nd was a guard against the govt. It was intended to keep the jmg257 Jul 2013 #9
The "negative" language of the Second as well as the other rights... Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #10
I would buttress your argument with the observation Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #14
Purposes of the Militias...and "a free State"... jmg257 Jul 2013 #15
I would agree with your "offset" argument. In fact.... Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #16
It's for defense either national or personal or anything in between. nt rrneck Jul 2013 #17
The 2nd didn't put exclusive power in the hands of the govt (never actually heard anyone say this). jmg257 Jul 2013 #18
Magic Time jimmy the one Jul 2013 #19
I'm not seeing that as a refutation of my premise. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #20
miller 1939 jimmy the one Jul 2013 #21
"The heller decision was split along political lines, 5-4." Irrelevant Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #24
Magic jimmy can talk out of his a*# hansberrym Jul 2013 #32
behold, a real magician jimmy the one Jul 2013 #33
Of course you didn't know... that Sam Adams was not among the minority of Pennsylvania? hansberrym Jul 2013 #34
mensheviks jimmy the one Jul 2013 #35
Magic jimmy's "likely hypothesis "... hansberrym Jul 2013 #36
my friends & countrymen jimmy the one Jul 2013 #39
untenable and transparent indeed! hansberrym Jul 2013 #40
Hansel & Prattle jimmy the one Jul 2013 #42
Jimmy dear... it may take you a little longer than the other boys and girls to catch on hansberrym Jul 2013 #43
Tee Hee... I see where you went off track, it could have happened to anyone! hansberrym Jul 2013 #44
Holy crap, you actually used the reply button correctly for once! good job! AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #38
I suppose... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #41
2ndA is obsolete & antiquated jimmy the one Jul 2013 #22
Semi-auto long rifles are not "military style assault weapons" except in appearance Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #23
It is a shame the 2nd does not explicitly assign the right Riftaxe Jul 2013 #28
miller was apolitical jimmy the one Jul 2013 #25
. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #26
2ndA oblivion jimmy the one Jul 2013 #29
No, the RKBA is as relevant today as ever. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #30
Thats a matter of opinion. beevul Jul 2013 #31
lyao? why? jimmy the one Jul 2013 #46
I guess that is as close as you will come to admitting your errors. hansberrym Jul 2013 #47
colonectomy needed jimmy the one Jul 2013 #49
unbelieveable indeed! hansberrym Jul 2013 #52
Hansel & Prattle II jimmy the one Jul 2013 #45
jimmy logic: If its the first one listed, then it is the first one! hansberrym Jul 2013 #48
OOC again, & dissimilar jimmy the one Jul 2013 #50
Did you just discover that? Really? hansberrym Jul 2013 #51
mad brigade jimmy the one Jul 2013 #54
Did you just discover that? Really? The Sequel hansberrym Jul 2013 #57
It's almost as if the Bill of Rights was written Riftaxe Jul 2013 #27
It can be if one thinks of it as this: Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2013 #53
It's right there in the preamble.. X_Digger Jul 2013 #55
Yup. beevul Jul 2013 #56
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