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hansberrym

(1,571 posts)
44. Tee Hee... I see where you went off track, it could have happened to anyone!
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 05:21 PM
Jul 2013

I see where you went so wrong, and please be assured that this could happen to anybody(not really).

It seems you thought that because Sam Adams' proposal was listed first in the wiki article you relied upon, that is was the first such proposal. (I am laughing my ass off)

Did you ever consider that the "wiki" article might not contain an exhaustive list?

Also you seem to think that because Sam Adams' proposal was under the heading of "proposal and drafts" that is was both a proposal and a draft. (priceless!)


http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
Earlier proposals and drafts of the Amendment:

And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. Samuel Adams, (February 6, 1788), reported in Charles Hale, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts (1856), p. 86. This language was proposed in the Massachusetts convention for ratification of the U.S. Constitution to be added to Article I of that document.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country; but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.
Original text of what was to become the Second Amendment, as brought to the floor to the first session of the first congress of the U.S. House of Representatives. original text

A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, but no person religiously scrupulous shall be compelled to bear arms.
Reworded version of the Second Amendment by the select committee on the Bill of Rights, July 28th 1789. AoC pp. 669).

A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; but no one religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.

Draft version of the Second Amendment sent by the House of Representatives to the United States Senate, on August 24th, 1789. (Note: When the Amendment was transcribed, the semicolon in the religious exemption portion was changed to a comma by the Senate scribe).
A well regulated militia, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed
Revision voted on in the U.S. Senate, September 4th, 1789.

A well regulated militia being the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Final version passed by the U.S. Senate; the phrase "necessary to" was added when the proposed Amendment was entered into the U.S. House journal.

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Our right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness depends on protecting ourselves. ileus Jul 2013 #1
It is different than all the others you listed, safeinOhio Jul 2013 #2
It also secures "the right of the people" in the same context as every other usage of the term. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #3
Agreed; k&r discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #4
I think it is pretty clear that the 2nd Amendment was aimed at individual rights. McPops Jul 2013 #5
Welcome discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #6
There have been many so far. oneshooter Jul 2013 #7
Welcome. This thread is a necessary reinforcement of Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #11
Agreed. In fact, it's not possible to parse the language any other way... Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #12
nuclear option jimmy the one Jul 2013 #8
Um...no. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #13
That explains why post-BoR state constitutions clarified matters. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #37
Of course the 2nd was a guard against the govt. It was intended to keep the jmg257 Jul 2013 #9
The "negative" language of the Second as well as the other rights... Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #10
I would buttress your argument with the observation Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #14
Purposes of the Militias...and "a free State"... jmg257 Jul 2013 #15
I would agree with your "offset" argument. In fact.... Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #16
It's for defense either national or personal or anything in between. nt rrneck Jul 2013 #17
The 2nd didn't put exclusive power in the hands of the govt (never actually heard anyone say this). jmg257 Jul 2013 #18
Magic Time jimmy the one Jul 2013 #19
I'm not seeing that as a refutation of my premise. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #20
miller 1939 jimmy the one Jul 2013 #21
"The heller decision was split along political lines, 5-4." Irrelevant Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #24
Magic jimmy can talk out of his a*# hansberrym Jul 2013 #32
behold, a real magician jimmy the one Jul 2013 #33
Of course you didn't know... that Sam Adams was not among the minority of Pennsylvania? hansberrym Jul 2013 #34
mensheviks jimmy the one Jul 2013 #35
Magic jimmy's "likely hypothesis "... hansberrym Jul 2013 #36
my friends & countrymen jimmy the one Jul 2013 #39
untenable and transparent indeed! hansberrym Jul 2013 #40
Hansel & Prattle jimmy the one Jul 2013 #42
Jimmy dear... it may take you a little longer than the other boys and girls to catch on hansberrym Jul 2013 #43
Tee Hee... I see where you went off track, it could have happened to anyone! hansberrym Jul 2013 #44
Holy crap, you actually used the reply button correctly for once! good job! AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #38
I suppose... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #41
2ndA is obsolete & antiquated jimmy the one Jul 2013 #22
Semi-auto long rifles are not "military style assault weapons" except in appearance Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #23
It is a shame the 2nd does not explicitly assign the right Riftaxe Jul 2013 #28
miller was apolitical jimmy the one Jul 2013 #25
. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #26
2ndA oblivion jimmy the one Jul 2013 #29
No, the RKBA is as relevant today as ever. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #30
Thats a matter of opinion. beevul Jul 2013 #31
lyao? why? jimmy the one Jul 2013 #46
I guess that is as close as you will come to admitting your errors. hansberrym Jul 2013 #47
colonectomy needed jimmy the one Jul 2013 #49
unbelieveable indeed! hansberrym Jul 2013 #52
Hansel & Prattle II jimmy the one Jul 2013 #45
jimmy logic: If its the first one listed, then it is the first one! hansberrym Jul 2013 #48
OOC again, & dissimilar jimmy the one Jul 2013 #50
Did you just discover that? Really? hansberrym Jul 2013 #51
mad brigade jimmy the one Jul 2013 #54
Did you just discover that? Really? The Sequel hansberrym Jul 2013 #57
It's almost as if the Bill of Rights was written Riftaxe Jul 2013 #27
It can be if one thinks of it as this: Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2013 #53
It's right there in the preamble.. X_Digger Jul 2013 #55
Yup. beevul Jul 2013 #56
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