Gun Control & RKBA

jimmy the one

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46. lyao? why?

Sun Jul 28, 2013, 07:33 PM

Jul 2013

hans: It seems you thought that because Sam Adams' proposal was listed first in the wiki article you relied upon, that is was the first such proposal. (I am laughing my ass off)

first proposal which counted: Aug1789 ..what was to become {2ndA} .. was seen as having originated in part from Samuel Adams' proposal: "It may well be remembered, that the following "amendments" to the new constitution of these United States, were introduced to the convention of this commonwealth {feb6,1788} by .. SAMUEL ADAMS.. every one of the intended alterations but one have been already reported by the committee of the House of Rep., and most probably will be adopted by the federal legislature." Boston Chronicle, PhilaGazetteer,Aug20,1789. http://www.guncite.com/journals/haladopt.html#fnb84

GunGuru Halbrook: .. The Massachusetts convention ratified the constitution Feb7,1788 without demanding a declaration of rights. Nonetheless, Adams' proposal would be seen as embodying the First, Second, and Fourth Amendments to the Constitution when they were being considered by Congress in 1789. http://constitution.org/2ll/schol/jfp6ch04.htm

hans: Did you ever consider that the "wiki" article might not contain an exhaustive list?

Provide then, a list more expansive, otherwise you have no point. You again insist on others to prove your own supposed points; Doesn't really matter tho, the pa. minority dissent & it's rkba provision were based on objections to the constitution, & tench coxe was not addressing the minority's rkba dissenting proposal, he was using SamAdams 2ndA proposal to squelch them.

hans:..you seem to think that ..Sam Adams' proposal .. was both a proposal and a draft.

Proposal & draft are pretty synonymous, parsing words here is trivial pursuit.
Collocations, draft-1: agreement, bill, constitution, document, legislation, letter, proposal, speech, treaty http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/draft_17#draft_21
.. Websters 1828: proposal 1. That offered.. for consideration or acceptance; a scheme or design, terms or conditions
draft:A drawing of lines for a plan;..delineation; sketch;plan delineated.

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I find it hard to believe the the 2nd Amendment is exclusively for national defense [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 OP

Our right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness depends on protecting ourselves. ileus Jul 2013 #1

It is different than all the others you listed, safeinOhio Jul 2013 #2

It also secures "the right of the people" in the same context as every other usage of the term. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #3

Agreed; k&r discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #4

I think it is pretty clear that the 2nd Amendment was aimed at individual rights. McPops Jul 2013 #5

Welcome discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #6

There have been many so far. oneshooter Jul 2013 #7

Welcome. This thread is a necessary reinforcement of Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #11

Agreed. In fact, it's not possible to parse the language any other way... Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #12

nuclear option jimmy the one Jul 2013 #8

Um...no. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #13

That explains why post-BoR state constitutions clarified matters. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #37

Of course the 2nd was a guard against the govt. It was intended to keep the jmg257 Jul 2013 #9

The "negative" language of the Second as well as the other rights... Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #10

I would buttress your argument with the observation Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #14

Purposes of the Militias...and "a free State"... jmg257 Jul 2013 #15

I would agree with your "offset" argument. In fact.... Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #16

It's for defense either national or personal or anything in between. nt rrneck Jul 2013 #17

The 2nd didn't put exclusive power in the hands of the govt (never actually heard anyone say this). jmg257 Jul 2013 #18

Magic Time jimmy the one Jul 2013 #19

I'm not seeing that as a refutation of my premise. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #20

miller 1939 jimmy the one Jul 2013 #21

"The heller decision was split along political lines, 5-4." Irrelevant Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #24

Magic jimmy can talk out of his a*# hansberrym Jul 2013 #32

behold, a real magician jimmy the one Jul 2013 #33

Of course you didn't know... that Sam Adams was not among the minority of Pennsylvania? hansberrym Jul 2013 #34

mensheviks jimmy the one Jul 2013 #35

Magic jimmy's "likely hypothesis "... hansberrym Jul 2013 #36

my friends & countrymen jimmy the one Jul 2013 #39

untenable and transparent indeed! hansberrym Jul 2013 #40

Hansel & Prattle jimmy the one Jul 2013 #42

Jimmy dear... it may take you a little longer than the other boys and girls to catch on hansberrym Jul 2013 #43

Tee Hee... I see where you went off track, it could have happened to anyone! hansberrym Jul 2013 #44

Holy crap, you actually used the reply button correctly for once! good job! AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #38

I suppose... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2013 #41

2ndA is obsolete & antiquated jimmy the one Jul 2013 #22

Semi-auto long rifles are not "military style assault weapons" except in appearance Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #23

It is a shame the 2nd does not explicitly assign the right Riftaxe Jul 2013 #28

miller was apolitical jimmy the one Jul 2013 #25

. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #26

2ndA oblivion jimmy the one Jul 2013 #29

No, the RKBA is as relevant today as ever. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #30

Thats a matter of opinion. beevul Jul 2013 #31

lyao? why? jimmy the one Jul 2013 #46

I guess that is as close as you will come to admitting your errors. hansberrym Jul 2013 #47

colonectomy needed jimmy the one Jul 2013 #49

unbelieveable indeed! hansberrym Jul 2013 #52

Hansel & Prattle II jimmy the one Jul 2013 #45

jimmy logic: If its the first one listed, then it is the first one! hansberrym Jul 2013 #48

OOC again, & dissimilar jimmy the one Jul 2013 #50

Did you just discover that? Really? hansberrym Jul 2013 #51

mad brigade jimmy the one Jul 2013 #54

Did you just discover that? Really? The Sequel hansberrym Jul 2013 #57

It's almost as if the Bill of Rights was written Riftaxe Jul 2013 #27

It can be if one thinks of it as this: Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2013 #53

It's right there in the preamble.. X_Digger Jul 2013 #55

Yup. beevul Jul 2013 #56