Gun Control & RKBA

sir pball

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45. So your cost/balance is different than mine, your point?

Sat Nov 30, 2013, 03:53 AM

Nov 2013

I live in NYC. I WANT the NYPD to spend a cool MILLION per officer on firearms training...honestly, having lived here for three years as a former CCW and (I like to think) talented marksman...holy hell, you need nerves of steel and even more skill to take a shot here.
Eight collaterals at the Empire State Building, three in Times Square (and that was a miracle - we're literally packed like sardines there)...I expect every single goddamn New York Police Department officer to be as competent with his firearm as the FBI HRT. Anything less, in that crowded environment, is criminally negligent and should be paid.

Yup. Training to European counterterror levels is expensive, but it's just how American police need to be,

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When 7 rounds just isn't enough. [View all] ileus Nov 2013 OP

He was a pretty lousy shot... alfie Nov 2013 #1

Maybe he was shooting a 9mm.... ileus Nov 2013 #2

Clearly ... Straw Man Nov 2013 #6

Did you read the story? Jenoch Nov 2013 #11

NYPD averages 1 hit for every 4 rounds expended. He hit with 10 out of 13. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #17

Many, if not most, civilian shootings occur at arms distance. ... spin Nov 2013 #18

It isn't like the movies. Glassunion Nov 2013 #19

Nice to hear you're teaching your 9 year old to kill so efficiently Starboard Tack Nov 2013 #3

Mayhaps 3 were misses, and one good hit. oneshooter Nov 2013 #5

since he is going to eat the deer, gejohnston Nov 2013 #7

Couldn't agree more. Starboard Tack Nov 2013 #12

You don't actually know he's going to eat the deer, do you? Starboard Tack Nov 2013 #20

I know the hunting gejohnston Nov 2013 #21

I didn't suggest he took the antlers or the meat. Starboard Tack Nov 2013 #23

the tax has been in place since 1919 gejohnston Nov 2013 #24

I agree, in addition to a bunch of white guys who enjoy killing animals with guns. Starboard Tack Nov 2013 #27

I know black people who hunt gejohnston Nov 2013 #28

You do realize, don't you, Jenoch Nov 2013 #25

Right, the native Americans hunted them honestly with bows Starboard Tack Nov 2013 #26

Revisionist history much? Straw Man Nov 2013 #29

And from whom did they acquire those guns? Starboard Tack Dec 2013 #50

Acquisition. Straw Man Dec 2013 #55

Getting rich is all about trophy hunting Starboard Tack Dec 2013 #56

You have it backwards. Straw Man Dec 2013 #57

Trophy hunting is a way of life for some. Starboard Tack Dec 2013 #59

Seeking refuge in vagueness again? Straw Man Dec 2013 #61

"Trophy hunting" Starboard Tack Dec 2013 #63

Yes, I know what trophy hunting is. Straw Man Dec 2013 #65

I never asserted anything of the sort. You interpreted it that way. Starboard Tack Dec 2013 #67

but they are the most effective gejohnston Dec 2013 #68

Um ... Yes, you did. Straw Man Dec 2013 #69

You can connect the dots any way you like in your own head. Starboard Tack Dec 2013 #72

Connecting the dots. Straw Man Dec 2013 #74

Fortunately, we live in different worlds. Starboard Tack Dec 2013 #77

When words fail you, when logic fails you ... Straw Man Dec 2013 #80

Poo? lol Starboard Tack Dec 2013 #83

Perhaps I judged you too harshly. Straw Man Dec 2013 #87

So what do you suggest for the rare occasion where a gun IS necessary for self-defense? Bazinga Dec 2013 #70

I would say the more guns you put on the street, the more likely you will be shot. Starboard Tack Dec 2013 #71

if you think about it, gejohnston Dec 2013 #73

Lots of things are common, like colds. Doesn't make them good or right. Starboard Tack Dec 2013 #75

false equivelence gejohnston Dec 2013 #76

What a crock! Starboard Tack Dec 2013 #81

Sorry, nothing you said is based on the facts of the case gejohnston Dec 2013 #82

Your buddy Zimmerman was in the wrong place at the wrong time with a gun Starboard Tack Dec 2013 #84

you are free to have your own opinions, but not your own facts. gejohnston Dec 2013 #85

You sure like to throw in those red herrings, don't you? Starboard Tack Dec 2013 #89

Al Sharpton was the leading propagandists gejohnston Dec 2013 #90

You associated my remarks with Sharpton and the media Starboard Tack Dec 2013 #92

no, I watched the gejohnston Dec 2013 #93

There is NO evidence that Trayvon Martin was a drug dealer Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #94

Watch the hearings. gejohnston Dec 2013 #95

When was Trayvon Martin even charged with a crime? Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #96

I think you missed the point. Bazinga Dec 2013 #78

No, I didn't miss the point Starboard Tack Dec 2013 #79

Huh? Jenoch Dec 2013 #86

Of course my life and the lives of my loved ones are worth defending. Starboard Tack Dec 2013 #88

The words I quoted from you are in disagrement with the post to which am now replying. Jenoch Dec 2013 #91

"And from whom did they acquire those guns?" Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #97

The 'buffalo hunters' weren't even about hunting. Jenoch Nov 2013 #30

And they used the best tools for the job. I guess it was all about self defense and SYG Starboard Tack Dec 2013 #51

I grew up in what was Jenoch Dec 2013 #53

You need to be better informed about buffalo hunting: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2013 #54

They were very much about hunting. oneshooter Dec 2013 #58

Towards the end, many of the'buffalo' 'hunters' only cut out the tongue Jenoch Dec 2013 #60

The money was in the hides, and later the bones. oneshooter Dec 2013 #62

They sold the tongues to the railroad. Jenoch Dec 2013 #64

So, can anybody hazard a guess what was done with the hides? n/t oneshooter Dec 2013 #66

It's hunting, you are supposed to train to kill efficiently. Packerowner740 Nov 2013 #8

it is possible that he intended to gejohnston Nov 2013 #9

I agree. Starboard Tack Nov 2013 #13

That's pretty much the same idea (albeit from the opposite direction) as petronius Nov 2013 #16

Wounding. Straw Man Nov 2013 #22

Shoot the gun out of his hand ..... oldhippie Dec 2013 #52

Thanks, we're hoping to get him on at least one more this season. ileus Nov 2013 #14

The robber shot the store owner first. If I had to shoot a man who shot me first, I'd keep shooting Shrike47 Nov 2013 #4

Old straight line: "Why'd you shoot him seven times?" rrneck Nov 2013 #10

I suspect the only reason 110 rounds was all that was fired was that's all the ammunition they had. discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2013 #15

Anything more than three rounds is amateur and incompetent. sir pball Nov 2013 #31

Armchair commando stuff. Straw Man Nov 2013 #32

Right, cuz I know I NEVER miss when I do a Mozambique drill. Bazinga Nov 2013 #33

On thought, I'm actually serious. LEO or civvie, if you carry you must be that skilled. sir pball Nov 2013 #34

While I agree with you in theory, gejohnston Nov 2013 #35

"...any person, military, law enforcement, civilian, or otherwise, Jenoch Nov 2013 #36

Month and a half of proper training at the academy would be fine for LEOs sir pball Nov 2013 #38

do you live in NYC? gejohnston Nov 2013 #39

Yup sir pball Nov 2013 #40

You said civilians...keep moving that goal post. Jenoch Nov 2013 #41

I never said anything about civvies, I was talking cops. sir pball Nov 2013 #46

You certainly have a short memory. Jenoch Nov 2013 #49

For a department with 100 officers, you'd be looking at half a million dollars just for ammo to Skeeter Barnes Nov 2013 #43

So your cost/balance is different than mine, your point? sir pball Nov 2013 #45

Actually that was an extremely low estimate. Skeeter Barnes Nov 2013 #47

But what would they do with all of those 12# Glock trigger springs? oneshooter Nov 2013 #48

COM Straw Man Nov 2013 #37

That is absurd. I'm glad you don't carry. Skeeter Barnes Nov 2013 #42

And depending on what state you live in, your advice might just get a person charged with murder. Lurks Often Nov 2013 #44