Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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3. they didn't give back anything

Mon Jan 27, 2014, 03:58 PM

Jan 2014

since they did not get them from the government. The Op Ed didn't even get the title right. Op Eds means opinion piece without actually knowing what they are talking about.
The Port Author shooter did not legally obtain his rifles. Tasmanian State (as probably most Australian states) law required a license to own a firearm. He didn't have a license and one of the rifles was stolen from a police evidence locker.
The National Firearms Agreement [where the federal government blackmailed the states (the same way the US states were blackmailed to adopt a uniform drinking age) to pass the gun law right wing neocon John Howard wanted] did not reduce the (already dropping) murder rate, nor did it do anything about the suicide rate. Since the NFA, there has been at least one mass shooting and two mass murder by arson. The Hells Angels and Banditos are still at war using pistols smuggled in (or have never been registered) and submachine guns made by basement gunsmiths.

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Gun violence in America continues unabated [View all] SecularMotion Jan 2014 OP

Even Australian gun laws would not have prevented it gejohnston Jan 2014 #1

When Australians gave back their guns SecularMotion Jan 2014 #2

they didn't give back anything gejohnston Jan 2014 #3

A third of the guns in Australia were handed in to the government. SecularMotion Jan 2014 #5

That's a lot of fine words. Why is it that the word "confiscated" was not used? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #10

Because a buyback program is not confiscation? SecularMotion Jan 2014 #12

You elide the fact that the owners only "choice" was to be reimbursed or not. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #13

I'm not entirely sure why you people are welcome around here. Oakenshield Mar 2014 #26

we don't alert gejohnston Mar 2014 #27

It was a success... Oakenshield Mar 2014 #29

not true gejohnston Mar 2014 #33

Drop the arson cases already. Oakenshield Mar 2014 #36

so it's about the guns, not the violence. gejohnston Apr 2014 #45

It's about GUN VIOLENCE. Oakenshield Apr 2014 #48

again, post hoc ergo propter hoc gejohnston Apr 2014 #52

Like hell it is. beevul Apr 2014 #63

And here we arrive at the conundrum. Oakenshield Apr 2014 #67

Be advised, this isn't my first rodeo. beevul Apr 2014 #70

Not sure if I should feel sympathetic or laugh. Oakenshield Apr 2014 #73

just to stick my nose in gejohnston Apr 2014 #77

I would recommend something else - quit while you're behind. beevul Apr 2014 #79

Alert? Nonsense, that post was brilliant! How to count the ways? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2014 #28

Ignorance of firearms technology? Oakenshield Mar 2014 #30

yes they were gejohnston Mar 2014 #31

Highly unlikely. Oakenshield Mar 2014 #32

no, the name was banned gejohnston Mar 2014 #34

Blatantly disengenuous. Oakenshield Mar 2014 #35

During the time frame of the "ban" I bought 3 stripped lowers. oneshooter Mar 2014 #37

If it was so ineffective, why did the NRA oppose it so furiously? Oakenshield Mar 2014 #38

Opposing ineffective, feel-good laws designed to appease the ignorant... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2014 #40

Good on them? Welcome to my ignore list. Oakenshield Mar 2014 #44

I'm fine with that. However, your posts are still gonna be thoroughly fisked... friendly_iconoclast Apr 2014 #51

seriously? gejohnston Mar 2014 #41

The size of the magazine DOES matter. Oakenshield Mar 2014 #42

she didn't read the report gejohnston Apr 2014 #46

Pay better attention. Oakenshield Apr 2014 #57

I don't know if that is actually true gejohnston Apr 2014 #59

So full of questions. Oakenshield Apr 2014 #62

I don't recall you ever being confirmed as Secretary of Needs friendly_iconoclast Apr 2014 #65

stupid argument gejohnston Apr 2014 #72

Oh, good. Oakenshield Apr 2014 #74

just not slang from gejohnston Apr 2014 #76

Another argument from authority, this time by proxy friendly_iconoclast Apr 2014 #50

*There's* the argument from authority you didn't use previously. You're getting better! friendly_iconoclast Mar 2014 #39

Post 31 utterly failed to contradict my point. Oakenshield Mar 2014 #43

Which were simply renamed and continued in production. And none were confiscated friendly_iconoclast Apr 2014 #47

actually, I did gejohnston Apr 2014 #49

Watch out, you'll be put on ignore and then we'll both be taking up... friendly_iconoclast Apr 2014 #53

Yes, the gun industry doesn't like to be regulated. Oakenshield Apr 2014 #54

Actually, it is among the most regulated industries gejohnston Apr 2014 #55

Not regulated anywhere near enough compared to Europe. Oakenshield Apr 2014 #56

actually, it is gejohnston Apr 2014 #58

I first heard of Yee in passing, and that was from a Tea-Party type overjoyed at the prospet.... Oakenshield Apr 2014 #61

He or she should be as outraged as I am gejohnston Apr 2014 #66

Actually, it isn't. Oakenshield Apr 2014 #64

there is more to it than than that gejohnston Apr 2014 #69

I'm sure there is. Oakenshield Apr 2014 #71

not really gejohnston Apr 2014 #75

I applaud the effort you've made to explain your alternative solution. Oakenshield Apr 2014 #78

I'm glad you're here. Bazinga Apr 2014 #80

It helps to exchange arguments. Oakenshield Apr 2014 #85

Can't, or won't, be allies? Bazinga Apr 2014 #87

the problem is, your more crude method won't change anything gejohnston Apr 2014 #82

And I VEHEMENTLY disagree. Oakenshield Apr 2014 #84

Actually, Australia's gun ownership rate stayed the same gejohnston Apr 2014 #86

European gun culture probably isn't what you think it is friendly_iconoclast Apr 2014 #68

You seem to have a rather casual attitude towards factual accuracy friendly_iconoclast Apr 2014 #60

Aha. So the gun control movement doesn't want a conversation after all... beevul Apr 2014 #81

Well said, but our latest seagull poster* has left the room friendly_iconoclast Apr 2014 #88

If it's not voluntary, it sure is. NT Adrahil Jan 2014 #23

one is still greater than zero gejohnston Jan 2014 #20

i'm in phoenix. a few nights ago DesertFlower Jan 2014 #4

That's not even an average weekend in Chicago DonP Jan 2014 #6

Well, I guess to solve it you should come and confiscate my guns. Common Sense Party Jan 2014 #7

How One Democracy Changed After Scrapping a Third of its Firearms SecularMotion Jan 2014 #8

So I only need to let you confiscate 1/3 of my guns? Common Sense Party Jan 2014 #9

The "gradual" gun prohibitionists think we don't notice what they're trying to do. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #11

Why do you think we call them gun nuts? SecularMotion Jan 2014 #14

Because you're bigoted friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #17

Ah, yes. The School of Stigmata. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #21

Because as friendly stated, you practice "respectable" bigotry. pablo_marmol Mar 2014 #24

Interesting... NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #25

Here you go: pablo_marmol Apr 2014 #89

The perception among many mokawanis Jan 2014 #15

What regulations would you propose? blueridge3210 Jan 2014 #16

The perception comes from#14 above.. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #22

That perception is contrived and fostered with the intent of using it as a club... beevul Apr 2014 #83

And people want to take our ability to defend ourselves away... ileus Jan 2014 #18

Oh, you'll still be able to effectively defend yourself, if... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #19