Gun Control & RKBA

wercal

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34. No I'm right...and you are proving my point.

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 03:01 PM

Feb 2014

'Collective noun'....seriously. What does that have to do with your original dismissal of the term 'people'.

It is impossible to skew the meaning in one amendment, without destroying them all.

Conceding that libel laws are w constitutional violation (theoretically, I don't really agree witbh that), then you have used the oldest argument on the schoolyard playground: two wrongs make a right. Most philosophical or legal arguments stray away from that tactic....buts its what you have to resort to, when shaping the bor to meet one's world view.

Rather than using such arguments, why not appeal the amendment?

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Ho-Hum. More Nefarious Bullshit from the Haters of the Second Amendment. [View all] NYC_SKP Feb 2014 OP

Drinking and smoking are typically voluntary. Loudly Feb 2014 #1

When 2 idiots shoot at each other, sked14 Feb 2014 #8

The USA is a country which tolerates guns and ammo in the hands of the public. Loudly Feb 2014 #38

Speak for yourself. sked14 Feb 2014 #41

So we're BRILLIANT for tolerating guns and ammo? Loudly Feb 2014 #44

You've never spoken for me. sked14 Feb 2014 #46

Shares United ... Straw Man Feb 2014 #87

Drinking and Smoking cause great harm to others in the community. NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #10

I welcome such correlations. Loudly Feb 2014 #42

Apparently the general public doesn't agree with your minority view. sked14 Feb 2014 #43

Well, since facts aren't on your side, I guess it will have to be lies and misinformation. NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #45

I used some Estate field loads that ought to be stigmatized... Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #81

First and second hand smoke cause more deaths annualy than firearms. geckosfeet Feb 2014 #48

How? Because you can absent yourself from places where smoke is. Loudly Feb 2014 #55

Just stay away from shooters - see - simple. geckosfeet Feb 2014 #60

Not so simple with concealed carry and where responsible gun owners (good guys with guns) can become Ed Suspicious Feb 2014 #76

Likewise, hard to just avoid drunk drivers NT Adrahil Feb 2014 #78

And not so simple to avoid second hand smoke. geckosfeet Feb 2014 #80

"Just stay away from shooters" thucythucy Feb 2014 #77

You didn't have to start a new thread Skippy SecularMotion Feb 2014 #2

In Castle Bansalot? The echo chamber where dissent is not allowed? Right hack89 Feb 2014 #4

"Skippy", That's cute of you! Actually, there's no discussion going on with that OP. NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #11

I thought everyone called you Skippy. SecularMotion Feb 2014 #16

So you are welcoming us to your club? We can come over there and have a dialogue? Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #17

Heretics and unbelievers like us will still get an Amish-like shunning friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #69

"you are truly doing god's work here on DU!", "You are amazing!", "Thanks much for the kind words," NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #18

I would agree that there are some gun zealots who should be banned from DU. SecularMotion Feb 2014 #19

Why should they be banned from DU? sked14 Feb 2014 #20

I think gun zealots should be added to this list SecularMotion Feb 2014 #21

If they're pushing the Nugent/LaPierre line of bullshit, sked14 Feb 2014 #22

If you can't recognize the gun zealots in here SecularMotion Feb 2014 #23

I already told you that when I see bullshit, sked14 Feb 2014 #26

Like pornography blueridge3210 Feb 2014 #47

Here let me help you clffrdjk Feb 2014 #52

Thanks for explaining blueridge3210 Feb 2014 #57

They flit about like Caspar the Ghost, in pursuit of Mrs. Muir. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #83

Zealot = someone that disagrees with me on guns. nt hack89 Feb 2014 #24

Wrong again SecularMotion Feb 2014 #25

So, who here is doing that? sked14 Feb 2014 #27

A good description of the inhabitants of Bansalot. hack89 Feb 2014 #28

I agree with the need for a safe haven to keep bad ideas out. SecularMotion Feb 2014 #29

So that would make you on par with the RW zealots, wouldn't it? sked14 Feb 2014 #30

So why don't you stay there? hack89 Feb 2014 #31

Would that be blueridge3210 Feb 2014 #40

We're not rewriting history. Deep13 Feb 2014 #3

So its the only part of the Billof Rights that doesn't protect personal rights? wercal Feb 2014 #5

Why do you leave off the first part? upaloopa Feb 2014 #7

I wasn't 'leaving out' anything... wercal Feb 2014 #12

The rights occur to the people, not the state, is why. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #84

The 10th is also about states. Deep13 Feb 2014 #9

You are illustrating the deep danger of attacking one amendment of the BOR wercal Feb 2014 #14

an assembly is a collective noun. Deep13 Feb 2014 #15

No I'm right...and you are proving my point. wercal Feb 2014 #34

Can one person blueridge3210 Feb 2014 #49

You're reading it wrong, and the preamble proves it. beevul Feb 2014 #88

The constitution protects all of us. upaloopa Feb 2014 #6

The fact is that except for the extremists on both sides, people want the same thing. NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #13

So if America has turned against the "gun culture" hack89 Feb 2014 #50

You see right wing states because the gun upaloopa Feb 2014 #51

You need to accept that there are many pro-gun Dems hack89 Feb 2014 #53

You don't have conversations. You have talking points upaloopa Feb 2014 #54

When the gun control movement reclaims all the ground they have lost since 1994 hack89 Feb 2014 #56

If your strength is the NRA and ALEC which it is upaloopa Feb 2014 #58

No - our strength is millions of gun owners that vote hack89 Feb 2014 #59

We will see upaloopa Feb 2014 #63

What will ultimately undermine the drive for stronger laws hack89 Feb 2014 #65

You keep pushing that canard as we hear every day of another upaloopa Feb 2014 #68

Are you denying decades of DOJ / FBI data? hack89 Feb 2014 #70

That again! upaloopa Feb 2014 #71

It's the other way around, in terms of making policy decisions. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2014 #73

So fewer actual shootings every year hack89 Feb 2014 #74

Anecdotes < full datasets Lizzie Poppet Feb 2014 #72

Hard data harshes the mellow of those trying to gin up a moral panic friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #79

What grassroots? gejohnston Feb 2014 #61

You owe your allegience and future to a Wall Street billionaire friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #67

Facts are facts. It doesn't really matter if they come from a conservative site or a liberal ... spin Feb 2014 #82

"supporting RW corporations and ideals" is a common criticism of the Democratic Party... Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #85

those who believe that the 2nd has anything to do with individual rights are delusional. bowens43 Feb 2014 #32

Sorry, but those much more intellectual than you disagree. sked14 Feb 2014 #33

We are pretty well regulated, thank you for agreeing that we have these rights. NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #35

Short list of delusional people sarisataka Feb 2014 #36

So anyone that supports the Democratic Party platform should not have guns? hack89 Feb 2014 #37

"I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms." Barack Obama 2008 hack89 Feb 2014 #39

No, they actually understand both the law and elementary linguistics. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2014 #62

I keep asking - nobody can answer wercal Feb 2014 #64

The Bill of Rights does not grant rights. It sets limits on our government for what it can ... spin Feb 2014 #86

So you think President Obama is delusional? Lurks Often Feb 2014 #66

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