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Token Republican

(242 posts)
59. Shall versus May
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 09:40 AM
Mar 2014

I think you have a different understanding of shall issue versus may issue.

Shall issue doesn't mean that every nut job gets a carry license no questions asked. It means there is one set of standards that apply to everyone and anyone who meets those standards obtains a license.

May issue means there are no objective standards, its a two tier approach. Step one is to meet the objective standards and the second tier is a license is granted upon the discretion of the licensing agency.

By way of example, take driver's licenses. They would be considered shall issue, as if certain defined standards are met, you get a driver's license. If driver's licenses were may issue, then you'd still have to have to take the written test, get a learner's permit, and take a road test. If you pass the road test, then it would be up to the DMV to determine if you have good cause to drive, with the underlying assumption that the availability of public transportation is sufficient to deny a driver's license.

I think the real key you are making though is what those objective standards should be.

Your claim of having review boards and oversight already exists and has failed. It is currently 100% impossible for me to get a carry license under any shape manner or form. Not because of anything I've done, but because of where I live. There is a 99.999999% denial rate of carry except for those with connections. A few counties over, I would be granted a carry license. This pattern has been challenged and upheld, so I'm not exactly sure how you think a system of favoritism could be remedied.

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Gun controllers regularly preach bans & a potpourri of disconnected restrictions... Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #2
Gun rights are common sense. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #3
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Obviously they shouldn't. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2014 #5
Calling MidwayUSA a "distrbutor of high-capacity magazines" ... Straw Man Mar 2014 #6
Justice Robert H. Jackson has the answer. beevul Mar 2014 #7
Nice quote. I like that. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #8
Another quote from Justice Jackson SecularMotion Mar 2014 #9
I like this quote from Joseph Story: discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2014 #10
Why should irrational fears trump constiutionally protected rights? Token Republican Mar 2014 #11
Like a moth to a flame SecularMotion Mar 2014 #12
I will Token Republican Mar 2014 #13
Why don't you answer. oneshooter Mar 2014 #14
To quote John Fogerty discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2014 #15
Define "reasonable" SecularMotion Mar 2014 #16
So it is not "reasonable" to ask your opinion? oneshooter Mar 2014 #17
Let me know when you're ready to give a definition. SecularMotion Mar 2014 #18
Are you ever going to be ready to explain how Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #20
When you can provide a link to prove I made that claim, I'll give you an answer. SecularMotion Mar 2014 #21
I know you bleat quite a bit about people accepting the "official story." Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #26
So you can't provide a link? SecularMotion Mar 2014 #28
Apologize for what? Perhaps you can provide a link to what you actually believe. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #31
I wouldn't waste my time. SecularMotion Mar 2014 #32
THERE IT IS! Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #33
Stick to making your own opinions. SecularMotion Mar 2014 #34
Thanks. I so enjoy irony. discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2014 #35
See post #32 SecularMotion Mar 2014 #36
No thanks but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2014 #39
You refuse to state your opinion -- in addition to the fact you do nothing else besides Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #61
If my posts upset you so much, please put me on ignore and stop disrupting threads. SecularMotion Mar 2014 #63
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I've had enough of your stalking and harassment. SecularMotion Mar 2014 #72
LMAO HALO141 Mar 2014 #94
This account has been dormant for some time. Is it a sock puppet? SecularMotion Mar 2014 #95
it's been dormant because I was busy elsewhere. HALO141 Mar 2014 #96
And your first post upon returning SecularMotion Mar 2014 #97
Whatever, dude. HALO141 Mar 2014 #98
The truth, is that enough for you? oneshooter Mar 2014 #24
You're being evasive. SecularMotion Mar 2014 #29
Hows this then. oneshooter Mar 2014 #38
Here's your answer SecularMotion Mar 2014 #40
what does TM have to do with SYG or the gejohnston Mar 2014 #41
Zimmerman Token Republican Mar 2014 #43
I think a lot of things proudretiredvet Mar 2014 #45
there is no evidence of that gejohnston Mar 2014 #46
Don't confuse the poster with facts he knows how he thinks it should have been. proudretiredvet Mar 2014 #44
Thank you Token Republican Mar 2014 #42
and you are trumped by the SCOTUS. proudretiredvet Mar 2014 #47
I don't disagree Token Republican Mar 2014 #49
Your a half republican and I'm a moderate democrat. proudretiredvet Mar 2014 #51
It is amazing Token Republican Mar 2014 #55
And thank you as well for a reasoned response devoid of NRA talking points. SecularMotion Mar 2014 #52
Good points Token Republican Mar 2014 #54
I agree that a tiered licensing system is reasonable regulation. SecularMotion Mar 2014 #58
Shall versus May Token Republican Mar 2014 #59
Until we have stricter licensing standards in place "may" issue should be method to issue permits. SecularMotion Mar 2014 #64
Ugg Token Republican Mar 2014 #66
I mean stricter as in the tiered licensing system you endorsed in your previous post. SecularMotion Mar 2014 #67
Go on please Token Republican Mar 2014 #69
From your previous post SecularMotion Mar 2014 #71
Ok Token Republican Mar 2014 #73
We're not writing legislation here SecularMotion Mar 2014 #75
That's a may issue Token Republican Mar 2014 #76
If you're trying to equate voting rights with issuing permits for public carry of a weapon. SecularMotion Mar 2014 #77
Okey dokey Token Republican Mar 2014 #78
I wonder blueridge3210 Mar 2014 #79
Retired LE can carry in all fifty states. Dunn was retired LE. oneshooter Mar 2014 #74
Do you support repealing some laws? Token Republican Mar 2014 #60
I consider the discussion of the definition of an "assault weapon" to be a diversionary tactic SecularMotion Mar 2014 #65
Don't follow Token Republican Mar 2014 #68
Don't you get tired of tap-dancing so hard? Straw Man Mar 2014 #82
Tap tap tap Token Republican Mar 2014 #84
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No need to wonder Token Republican Mar 2014 #93
Since I can not ask in your own personal forum.. SQUEE Mar 2014 #88
The Gun Control Reform Activism Group SecularMotion Mar 2014 #89
He's Right Token Republican Mar 2014 #90
not at all, I asked how any common ground can be found SQUEE Mar 2014 #91
Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #99
Legal Answers Token Republican Mar 2014 #53
I agree the point is not legally correct. Carriers are non-government entities. SecularMotion Mar 2014 #62
since you are opposed to SYG gejohnston Mar 2014 #80
SYG Token Republican Mar 2014 #83
I think most people attempt to retreat if possible gejohnston Mar 2014 #85
I agree. beevul Mar 2014 #87
Let me try Token Republican Mar 2014 #19
Is that what right wing nuts think all liberals believe? SecularMotion Mar 2014 #22
Prove them wrong. oneshooter Mar 2014 #25
I'm just trying to pin your positon down. Token Republican Mar 2014 #27
Then let's mark you down for -- Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #30
Many on the left who are against guns are very gun ignorant. proudretiredvet Mar 2014 #48
Hey now!!! They are proud of their ignorence and their inate inability to raise themselves. oneshooter Mar 2014 #50
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That's what a the grabbers would call "a good start". Skeeter Barnes Mar 2014 #86
Hateful fearful rhetoric unfounded in reality. geckosfeet Mar 2014 #37
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Human rights should trump silly laws. ileus Mar 2014 #57
Albert Eisenstein said it best gejohnston Mar 2014 #81
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