Gun Control & RKBA

CTyankee

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43. Well, Breivik's act DID happen, didn't it?

Wed Apr 30, 2014, 05:00 PM

Apr 2014

Yes, he did finally get his weaponry in Norway, but it wasn't easy, certainly not as easy as it is in this country.

And the fact still remains, Norway is a democracy, not a totalitarian state that restricts freedom. If the people you correspond with are so vocal, fine, they can seek out candidates for office that will change the existing laws and support them. Are you saying their democracy is deficient? If so, how? Do they have voter restriction laws (as we have in certain parts of our country) where gun advocates are discriminated against?

Look, the whole idea of a democracy is tolerance of dissent. Are dissident Norwegians (on the gun issue) mistreated, muzzled, voter disenfrancished? Are they punished, thrown in jail for their minority views, or otherwise sanctioned? I'm not hearing the "tyranny" part of you argument.

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Vermonters support concealed carry permit for guns [View all] SecularMotion Apr 2014 OP

Must be the wild west up there Duckhunter935 Apr 2014 #1

True. Some of the lowest gun crime stats in the country. geckosfeet Apr 2014 #2

Gun control fans are desperate to point to some kind of "win" DonP Apr 2014 #5

CB has cartoons???? discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2014 #7

It's what passes for deep thinking down there DonP Apr 2014 #8

Yes, indeed. NYC_SKP Apr 2014 #20

What is wrong with requiring a license for CC? nt Logical Apr 2014 #12

Why fix something that isn't broken? DonP Apr 2014 #13

I would rather know someone at least had some basic gun safety information and discuss.... Logical Apr 2014 #14

As a fellow New Englander (former 2nd generation Texan, Nutmegger by informed choice), I agree CTyankee Apr 2014 #9

Actually, the wild wild west wasn't gejohnston Apr 2014 #11

"gun safety regulation" is the more precise term, isn't it? CTyankee Apr 2014 #15

No it isn't any more than "death tax" gejohnston Apr 2014 #17

partial retraction gejohnston Apr 2014 #23

Huge crime rate, shoot-outs never stop. 'strue. Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #3

I'm sure they're desperate to stop the carnage. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #4

Of course it is lower. Have you ever looked at VT demographics? CTyankee Apr 2014 #16

ummmmmmmm gejohnston Apr 2014 #18

Your party is the winner in that department, not mine. CTyankee Apr 2014 #24

digging yourself deeper? gejohnston Apr 2014 #28

Ah, you simply MUST send that little missive to my granddaughter whose bat mitzvah CTyankee Apr 2014 #30

and I'll share yours with my daughter's gejohnston Apr 2014 #32

You of course meant the democratic party...because that's what we all are here. ileus Apr 2014 #42

Oh, cute! CTyankee Apr 2014 #44

You mean support sarisataka Apr 2014 #48

If that is you, glad to hear it. I'd like to hear more from you, perhaps on non-gun-related topics CTyankee Apr 2014 #50

Who else would I be? sarisataka Apr 2014 #51

I'm already doing the best job possible. ileus Apr 2014 #49

"Vermonters support concealed carry permit for guns" Jenoch Apr 2014 #6

A classic case ... Straw Man Apr 2014 #10

I'm actually in favor of an in-depth instruction class Jenoch Apr 2014 #19

Vermont gundeath rate is pretty high. russ1943 Apr 2014 #21

Like Wyoming, gejohnston Apr 2014 #22

Interesting that you mentioned Norway, a nation of gun lovers. CTyankee Apr 2014 #25

I know exactly how the government regulates them there gejohnston Apr 2014 #27

and it is interesting that during WW2 the Norwegians fought the Nazis bravely, with their guns and CTyankee Apr 2014 #29

rifles on skies gejohnston Apr 2014 #31

You have kind of made my point. CTyankee Apr 2014 #33

not really gejohnston Apr 2014 #34

News flash! People in western European democracies go to the polls and elect their leaders! CTyankee Apr 2014 #35

even bigger news flash gejohnston Apr 2014 #52

well, it appears that Western European nations "grew up" with their thinking...the utter CTyankee May 2014 #58

You would think the first one would have gejohnston May 2014 #61

Yup. Why bother? CTyankee May 2014 #63

You are sure? Straw Man Apr 2014 #36

I guess there are some Norwegians who don't like the laws. CTyankee Apr 2014 #37

No points for the slur. Straw Man Apr 2014 #39

Well, Breivik's act DID happen, didn't it? CTyankee Apr 2014 #43

Which has fuck-all to do with average Norwegian gun owners. Straw Man Apr 2014 #45

well, this guy's act was significantly delayed due to the laws of his country...what have you got CTyankee Apr 2014 #47

So if Sandy Hook was delayed 2 years, that would reflect well on our gun laws? hack89 Apr 2014 #53

The point is that they were trying to keep it from happening in the first place. CTyankee May 2014 #55

So did CT - they had an AWB and registration. hack89 May 2014 #57

I have seen that NRA talking point! Right here during the debate on our state's gun laws. CTyankee May 2014 #59

So you concede the point hack89 May 2014 #60

It was already rebutted during debates on these bills... CTyankee May 2014 #62

So you can't articulate your own thoughts? hack89 May 2014 #64

I know you are dying to refute all of this with your playbook and all that but... CTyankee May 2014 #71

I support everything you mentioned hack89 May 2014 #76

Bloomberg doesn't do my thinking for me so I would have to say that I may support him but CTyankee May 2014 #77

I support limits on high capacity mags hack89 May 2014 #78

glad to hear you have evloved somewhat at least. CTyankee May 2014 #79

I have always held those positions hack89 May 2014 #84

The positions you stated are fine. No problem. My problem is with this strange "I don't agree with CTyankee May 2014 #85

Why can't I take it one issue at a time like you do? hack89 May 2014 #86

OK, here: because you always end up in the same place with these discussions. CTyankee May 2014 #88

I spend my time and money on more important issues hack89 May 2014 #89

"Significantly delayed?" Hallelujah! Straw Man Apr 2014 #54

Ah, yes. The Google yields lots of "tyranny of the majority" comments by the NRA so CTyankee May 2014 #56

Could you cite one? Straw Man May 2014 #65

Don't know how you missed the one written by none other than Dear Leader Wayne LaPierre. CTyankee May 2014 #70

Provide a link, please. Straw Man May 2014 #73

Hmm, what if one wanted to see the NRA's talking points and compare them to ones made here? CTyankee May 2014 #74

Gee, do you think putting "NRA" in your search terms ... Straw Man May 2014 #75

well, I wanted to see how the two "synched up." CTyankee May 2014 #81

Synchs up just as well with gay rights. Straw Man May 2014 #82

Hey, it's fine with me if you shinny up to that argument. I'd make it too, if I were in your shoes. CTyankee May 2014 #83

What shoes are those? Straw Man May 2014 #87

I want to say this to you nicely. CTyankee May 2014 #90

You can say it to me any way you want. Straw Man May 2014 #91

straw man contradictions jimmy the one May 2014 #93

Wrong again, Jimmy the Zero. Straw Man May 2014 #94

nra propagunda jimmy the one May 2014 #95

La Pierre quoting Tocqueville and Adams thinking it is Jefferson gejohnston May 2014 #96

backslap falls flat jimmy the one May 2014 #97

Adams not Jefferson gejohnston May 2014 #101

post script gejohnston May 2014 #104

Don't you get dizzy ... Straw Man May 2014 #98

prejudiced whackjobs jimmy the one May 2014 #100

Getting a bit venomous, are we? Straw Man May 2014 #102

straw man tells the whole half truth jimmy the one May 2014 #105

Clearly you don't understand the concept of protected rights. Straw Man May 2014 #106

"I have way above average intelligence" clffrdjk May 2014 #103

strawman not up to speed on anders jimmy the one May 2014 #66

Wrong and wrong. Straw Man May 2014 #72

But their murder rate is the second-lowest. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #26

Hmm. According a Kaiser family report, the rate is exactly 10.3 per 100,000 for Vermont. geckosfeet Apr 2014 #38

And how many are from violence? SQUEE Apr 2014 #40

True. Same for all others states in the study. geckosfeet Apr 2014 #46

There's rate and there's age adjusted rate. russ1943 May 2014 #68

Quick Lesson on vermont jimmy the one May 2014 #99

They must be having a bunch of problems with the law as it is now. ileus Apr 2014 #41

Or think some basic CC information is a good idea. nt Logical May 2014 #80

public did not support shall issue ccw jimmy the one May 2014 #67

This is not surprising to me, since no reputable poll I ever saw supported any states shall issue gejohnston May 2014 #69

It is a moot point after Heller and Peruta hack89 May 2014 #92