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intaglio

(8,170 posts)
30. No - start thinking about history
Sat May 3, 2014, 02:45 PM
May 2014

The gun laws in the UK were originally an attempt to to restrict the ownership of guns to those who the ruling class felt should have an entitlement to that weapon.

At the time of the legislation at its most restrictive a high proportion of millions of ex-servicemen from First Boer War, the Second Boer War, the First and Second World Wars had returned with trophy weapons. Prior to this time guns had been expensive and, generally, in the hands of the middle and upper classes. Gun deaths in the UK, prior to the WWI, were low because compared to the USA because the Civil War had been the event enabled many people to possess guns.

In the UK the First and Second Boer Wars had highlighted the inexperience the British volunteer had with guns; the British relied upon a small professional army supplemented with volunteer battalions. As indicated above a proportion of the returning volunteers kept trophies for an increase in gun ownership in the volunteering classes was seen as beneficial but the small increase in gun crime was seen as acceptable.

This started to change with the Irish rebellions and, after WWI, the greater increase in gun crime. The common idea was that the conscripted "lower classes" were more likely to be criminal and to sell any trophies to criminals hence the first restrictions on ownership. This attempted to keep firearms in the hands of those who were thought to have an entitlement; these included those persons with land (gentry, their servants and tenant farmers), the wealthy and the bourgeoisie. Licensing, for rifled weapons, was dependent upon the applicant getting the approval of other members of the bourgeoisie (JPs, a Doctors, a Bank Managers) that you were a fit and proper person to own such a.weapon.

I could continue with the history lesson if you wish but I doubt you will learn anything.

and your thoughts on this? Duckhunter935 May 2014 #1
Have you checked the comparative figures for gun crime intaglio May 2014 #2
Even before there were gun laws in GB, the crime rate was low. Eleanors38 May 2014 #4
Actually no intaglio May 2014 #5
Having trouble understanding this. I think you are saying Eleanors38 May 2014 #10
No - start thinking about history intaglio May 2014 #30
Beyond your snark, the relevant issue is whether or not Eleanors38 May 2014 #42
"Leftist uprisings"? Really? Starboard Tack May 2014 #20
Oh please gejohnston May 2014 #21
You're right, UK bad, US perfect. Starboard Tack May 2014 #23
more like UK is stifling and perfection is impossible gejohnston May 2014 #24
Funny, that's how I felt about the US - stifling Starboard Tack May 2014 #32
Florida is stifling gejohnston May 2014 #34
Class and peerage a BFD? Starboard Tack May 2014 #36
Where in the SOP does it say you have to comment on stories? Posting an article often.... Logical May 2014 #3
nice to see you this morning Duckhunter935 May 2014 #6
You said..... Logical May 2014 #9
Discuss Duckhunter935 May 2014 #12
So in other words the SOP does not say that....... Logical May 2014 #14
we disagree but that is OK Duckhunter935 May 2014 #15
would you care to discuss the story? Duckhunter935 May 2014 #13
I imagine you and I are not far off on the gun issue..... Logical May 2014 #17
We agree Duckhunter935 May 2014 #18
Is that what you truly believe? "The king's oppression" LOL Starboard Tack May 2014 #7
so we should be still part of Britain? Duckhunter935 May 2014 #8
gunchester jimmy the one May 2014 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author IronGate May 2014 #27
So, GB's crime rate WAS low before gun prohibition. Eleanors38 May 2014 #11
naw more like gejohnston May 2014 #19
A very wise quote discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2014 #31
2 interesting links Starboard Tack May 2014 #37
You don't think MI-5 isn't? gejohnston May 2014 #38
Every tourist gets printed and retina scanned Starboard Tack May 2014 #39
You, me, Thom Hartman, Alex Jones, Ron Paul, gejohnston May 2014 #40
It's hard to imagine anyone disagreeing. Starboard Tack May 2014 #44
I would like for you to explain to me IronGate May 2014 #16
Why should you care? No reason, unless you are curious Starboard Tack May 2014 #22
I wasn't addressing you, but I know this is an open board, so, here goes. IronGate May 2014 #25
I tend to agree with most of what you said there. Starboard Tack May 2014 #33
Don't forget, the U.S. has the 2nd Amendment Jenoch May 2014 #41
Baloney! nt Starboard Tack May 2014 #45
Is that all you have to say? Jenoch May 2014 #46
Actually, I majored in both English and US history. That's why I say baloney. Starboard Tack May 2014 #47
The last of the 13 colonies ratified the constitution in 1790. Jenoch May 2014 #48
I guess you think Washington invented the wheel and the alphabet too. Starboard Tack May 2014 #49
I appreciate iate your agreement with my point. Jenoch May 2014 #50
Very good. Because it got the idea from England, same as it got the language. Starboard Tack May 2014 #52
So you agree with the gejohnston May 2014 #51
You certainly are the master of the non sequitur GE. LOL Starboard Tack May 2014 #53
I'm Bruce Leroy to Bloomberg's Sho'nuff gejohnston May 2014 #54
Good for the UK....glad the US isn't as regressive when it comes to basic human rights. ileus May 2014 #28
Ah yes, the basic human right to shoot other humans Starboard Tack May 2014 #35
I'm a bit more interested... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2014 #29
37,342,964. rrneck May 2014 #43
go to the horse's mouth jimmy the one May 2014 #55
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