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33. Of course we have more gun deaths. ...
Mon May 26, 2014, 04:08 PM
May 2014

There are an estimated 300,000,000 firearms in our nation and 80,000,000 people own them.

Our next door neighbor Mexico has extremely strong gun laws. I imagine you would love to see them passed here.

MEXICO CITY JOURNAL
At a Nation’s Only Gun Shop, Looking North in Disbelief


By DAMIEN CAVE
Published: July 24, 2012



MEXICO CITY — Juan García relinquished his cellphone, walked through two metal detectors, registered with a uniformed soldier — and then finally entered Mexico’s only legal gun store.

To anyone familiar with the 49,762 licensed gun dealers in the United States, or the 7,261 gun-selling pawn shops, the place looked less like a store than a government office. Customers waited on metal chairs near a fish tank to be called up to a window to submit piles of paperwork. The guns hung in drab display cases as if for decoration, with not a single sales clerk offering assistance.

***snip***

The 1917 Constitution written after Mexico’s bloody revolution, for example, says that the right to carry arms excludes those weapons forbidden by law or reserved for use by the military, and it also states that “they may not carry arms within inhabited places without complying with police regulations.”

The government added more specific limits after the uprisings in the 1960s, when students looted gun stores in Mexico City. So under current law, typical customers like Rafael Vargas, 43, a businessman from Morelos who said he was buying a pistol “to make sure I sleep better,” must wait months for approval and keep his gun at home at all times.

His purchase options are also limited: the largest weapons in Mexico’s single gun store — including semiautomatic rifles like the one used in the Aurora attack — can be bought only by members of the police or the military. Handgun permits for home protection allow only for the purchase of calibers no greater than .38, so the most exotic option in the pistol case here consisted of a Smith & Wesson revolver selling for $803.05.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/25/world/americas/in-mexico-a-restrictive-approach-to-gun-laws.html


We might agree that Mexico is a gun control advocates dream of utopia. Surely a nation with such gun laws must be a far safer place to live than the United States. After all gun control advocates often claim that guns are designed only for killing and if there were no or fewer guns available to civilians, the murder rate would surely decrease.

Perhaps not.

Mexico’s Violent Murder Rate Is More Than Twice That of USA
November 12, 2010 - 4:45 PM
By Edwin Mora


(CNSNews.com) – Individuals run a greater risk of being violently murdered in Mexico than in the United States, where the population is more than three times larger than its southern neighbor.

Mexico’s secretary of Interior, Francisco Blake Mora, said there currently are 12 violent homicides registered for every 100,000 Mexican residents, as reported in the Nov. 10 El Universal, a Spanish-language newspaper in Mexico.

In other words, about 1 in every 8,300 residents is violently murdered in Mexico.

***snip***

FBI data show that in the United States, “There were 5.0 murders per 100,000 inhabitants in 2009, an 8.1 percent decrease from the 2008 rate.”

That means that in 2009 there was 1 murder per 20,000 U.S. inhabitants. When compared to Mexico’s current rate of 1 murder per 8,300 Mexican residents, an individual runs a greater risk of being violently murdered in Mexico than in the United States.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/mexico-s-violent-murder-rate-more-twice-usa

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You have no shame Botany May 2014 #1
Firearms can also save lives. ... spin May 2014 #3
"I might be here to post this had she not been armed." Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #6
I seriously doubt that even the most ardent gun control advocates ... spin May 2014 #11
talking point #2, very good Duckhunter935 May 2014 #4
Very interesting document. ... spin May 2014 #9
what I find interesting Duckhunter935 May 2014 #10
The best arguments for the RKBA group involve logic and facts. Botany May 2014 #19
What about nations that have stricter gun laws/fewer guns but higher homicide rates? Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #30
Which countries are those? yurbud May 2014 #65
Brazil, Bermuda, Greenland, Mexico gejohnston May 2014 #68
a couple of those countries have other problems like weak law enforcement and extreme poverty yurbud May 2014 #69
The problems we have the Western Europe doesn't gejohnston May 2014 #70
Of course we have more gun deaths. ... spin May 2014 #33
Logical fallacy. pablo_marmol May 2014 #37
Spare us your faux grief. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #5
To deny that the proliferation of guns in America is not connected to a proliferation .... Botany May 2014 #8
"guns in America is not connected to a proliferation in gun deaths and tragedies is to deny reality. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #13
The reality is that despite the skyrocketing sale of firearms in recent years ... spin May 2014 #15
Says you. An internet "sage" completely without credentials. pablo_marmol May 2014 #38
you must be more outraged by drunk driving deaths Duckhunter935 May 2014 #7
Way to change the subject! Botany May 2014 #12
he also legally purchased a knife Duckhunter935 May 2014 #14
Either you care about lives or you don't? Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #17
You lot don't want "cold hard facts and figures". beevul May 2014 #18
cold hard facts AND FIGURES Botany May 2014 #20
Yeah, i didn't think you wanted to talk about the figures. beevul May 2014 #21
FIGURES Botany May 2014 #22
That doesn't make your case that "its the guns". beevul May 2014 #23
MORE GUNS PER CAPITA = MORE GUN DEATHS Botany May 2014 #24
We aren't those places, and we aren't going to be those places. beevul May 2014 #25
In 2012 there are listed... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2014 #29
Iceland has more guns per capita than gejohnston May 2014 #31
Murder rate, United States: 4.8/100k/year. Japan 0.3/100k/year AtheistCrusader May 2014 #51
In Japan... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2014 #52
That's a good point. Reporting rules between different nations is highly vexing. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #53
So true. n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2014 #54
actually, it is gejohnston May 2014 #55
It apparently takes a bit longer than... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2014 #59
You can say that as often as you like - it's still a fallacy. pablo_marmol May 2014 #39
"You have no shame." Eleanors38 May 2014 #35
I have noticed Duckhunter935 May 2014 #2
I comment regularly on the projection SQUEE May 2014 #16
I see what you did there. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #27
Thanks for the insight into a gunner paradigm upaloopa May 2014 #26
Arguing facts -- if the anti-RKBA ever supplies them rather than hollow emotionalism -- Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #28
Too bad you earned it upaloopa May 2014 #40
"It is going to get worse." Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #41
I'm not going to play your game. upaloopa May 2014 #42
You declare things will get worse but when asked how you claim I'm playing the game. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #43
Don't you ever fucking tell me what to do! upaloopa May 2014 #44
Or? Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #45
What letter do they send out to those hurt by drugs and alcohol? Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #46
Sick! upaloopa May 2014 #47
Post removed Post removed May 2014 #48
You take it any way you want upaloopa May 2014 #49
But yours does? beevul May 2014 #57
"Your opinion doesn't matter in the great circle of things" Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #58
I had to post this to you since NU is locked out. bravenak May 2014 #66
This message was self-deleted by its author alp227 May 2014 #66
If the now dead roommates had notified your department that they think their Jenoch May 2014 #50
I am not part of the clinical or program staff upaloopa May 2014 #56
appeal to popularity is a logical fallacy gejohnston May 2014 #32
Well they are regressives.... ileus May 2014 #34
I wonder if the 5 run over during SXSW rate on the Compassion Scale? Eleanors38 May 2014 #36
What laws would you suggest to take care of this problem? stone space May 2014 #60
Nawww gejohnston May 2014 #61
Please present your proposed amendment for discussion. stone space May 2014 #62
I can think of two interested parties who would welcome Jenoch May 2014 #63
"They are paranoid delusional, authoritarian, violent-minded, hateful towards opposing facts" mokawanis May 2014 #64
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