Gun Control & RKBA

jpak

(41,780 posts) Sun Feb 12, 2012, 06:54 PM Feb 2012

Pastor's daughter, 20, accidently shot in head at St. Pete church [View all]

http://www.baynews9.com/article/news/2012/february/381645/Woman-20-accidently-shot-in-head-at-St-Pete-church?cid=rss&cmpid=facebook

An accidental shooting at a church in unincorporated St. Petersburg left a woman critically injured Sunday afternoon.

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The pastor’s daughter, 20-year-old Hannah Kelley, was shot in the head and transported to Bayfront Medical Center by ambulance.

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Following the church service, several members of the congregation were gathered in the church's rec room.

According to detectives, 20-year-old Dustin Bueller approached 48-year-old Moises Zambrana and said that he would soon be turning 21 and was interested in purchasing a gun for himself.

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Pastor's daughter, 20, accidently shot in head at St. Pete church [View all] jpak Feb 2012 OP

How stupid atreides1 Feb 2012 #1

He was too busy explaining the "safety" features to check the chamber. pnwmom Feb 2012 #3

He had a cc permit. Must be responsible or so I hear. nt flamin lib Feb 2012 #4

Responsible does not mean infallible rl6214 Feb 2012 #69

BLAH BLAH BLAH Callisto32 Feb 2012 #114

I am SO glad folks have the right to carry guns in church. kestrel91316 Feb 2012 #2

And not one single word of sympathy for the victim from you in all of that. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #6

Well said. Frustratedlady Feb 2012 #7

just too bad gunners don't consider other "people" in their insatiable need for their guns DrDan Feb 2012 #74

I'd LOVE for you to explain those quotes around "people" Callisto32 Feb 2012 #115

be glad to - the post I responded to used that word - so I put it in quotes DrDan Feb 2012 #120

Awesome. Callisto32 Feb 2012 #121

Apart from your heartfelt sympathy for the victim, you're OK with guns in church? Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #11

I would say... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #16

"Why would carrying in church especially be a problem?" Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #20

You're not hearing me. discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #36

I don't think it is reasonable to carry in any of those places. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #40

First... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #45

self mockery since 325 gejohnston Feb 2012 #48

Are you referring to the Armenians? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #60

"Are the majority of churches against all forms of violence?" Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #58

I'm a bit puzzled. discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #59

No, it pays people to keep them out. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #65

re: "No, it pays people to keep them out." discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #66

How will they do that, if not armed themselves? Callisto32 Feb 2012 #117

You are showing either an inability, or a failure... Callisto32 Feb 2012 #116

I am suffering from an inability to understand what you are trying to say. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #128

what just happened?! barbtries Feb 2012 #34

You're not hearing me. discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #37

i believe that it's reasonable to leave the guns locked up barbtries Feb 2012 #79

I understand. :) discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #80

we understand each other then barbtries Feb 2012 #81

You're welcome discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #82

it is less of a gun issue gejohnston Feb 2012 #39

Sorry to hear about this, for the girls sake. Many of the gun rights people will brewens Feb 2012 #13

The victim did not ask. It was a 20 year-old boy that asked. Angry Dragon Feb 2012 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #8

You may be "alerted" for your slang reference to penis. nt SteveW Feb 2012 #84

Has anyone ever told you ... Straw Man Feb 2012 #94

Never ... Straw Man Feb 2012 #95

Why would anyone need to carry a loaded gun to church? Oh, I forgot. It is their 'right'. appleannie1 Feb 2012 #5

Um, Dr Tiller. The church members when the freak wanted to kill all the liberals. WingDinger Feb 2012 #14

Unfortunately, members of the "gun culture" don't realize they don't have to carry, even if they Hoyt Feb 2012 #18

Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #27

Actually the christian right is all about guns -- they love them and are the base of "gun culture." Hoyt Feb 2012 #30

The "gun culture" isn't responsible here, only one Moises Zembrana. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #42

Like said, gun culture will take no responsibility. Kind of like oil companies. Hoyt Feb 2012 #46

I was not even in the same county gejohnston Feb 2012 #52

Looks Like this Church Gun Owner fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #129

The NRA has the classes gejohnston Feb 2012 #130

Ok fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #131

maybe Florida's training gejohnston Feb 2012 #132

The Democratic portion of the "gun culture" grew by 1/3 over the last 2 years. nt SteveW Feb 2012 #86

Just goes to show you can have a "gun-grabber" as President and still attract Democrats who care Hoyt Feb 2012 #87

Way to miss the point. But what else is new? NT Simo 1939_1940 Feb 2012 #88

And what is the point? First, I like to see a citation. Second, a 33% increase from a low number Hoyt Feb 2012 #89

Absolutely! Why would ANYONE dare to exercise a constitutional right???? Skwid Feb 2012 #31

Lots of things are a constitutional rght -- yet they are wrong. Hoyt Feb 2012 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #51

Corporate greed, pollution, walking around with swastika, more. Hoyt Feb 2012 #56

Oy vey. Callisto32 Feb 2012 #118

That sounds exactly like what Rick the Santorum or one of his fellow travelers would say. Skwid Feb 2012 #54

Give me a break -- if it weren't for racist right wingers, gun laws would be tougher. Hoyt Feb 2012 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #67

That's God, Guns, and Guts...no one got shot at my church today. ileus Feb 2012 #9

That's because the Lord was watching over your church Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #12

Could you please get us a list of which churches the Lord watches over? It will save a lot of troub Skwid Feb 2012 #21

You'll have to ask someone with better connections then me. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #24

So any goofball with a gun can subvert the omnipotency of the Lord of the Universe? Okay, Skwid Feb 2012 #25

Which one? I prefer Artemis. nt SteveW Feb 2012 #85

Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Callisto32 Feb 2012 #119

What's insulting about it? Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #127

Just wait....maybe next week or the week after...and movonne Feb 2012 #15

And the "gun culture" will chalk it up to illegal carrying or an accident, like that changes things. Hoyt Feb 2012 #19

I agree that churches are full of unstable people. They believe in imaginary deities. Skwid Feb 2012 #22

You kinda hit the nail on the head... movonne Feb 2012 #26

I've always had pretty good aim. Skwid Feb 2012 #28

This poster is no longer with us. n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #98

Do you really feel posts like these... Clames Feb 2012 #101

Yes. n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #102

Or, as Bill Maher says: "They believe in talking snakes." Is that who we want carrying guns? Hoyt Feb 2012 #32

The only people I "want" carrying guns are those who aren't felons or crazy and who can pass Skwid Feb 2012 #38

You know, DU has a religion forum Union Scribe Feb 2012 #72

Bill Maher gejohnston Feb 2012 #100

As serious as those who have to strap a gun on to venture outside. Hoyt Feb 2012 #103

Funny you should mention bars.. pipoman Feb 2012 #75

Probably because they know what folks are like who tote. Hoyt Feb 2012 #49

sad. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #10

Any word on Hannah Kelley? Another carrier WITH A PERMIT messes up, may cost someone their life. Hoyt Feb 2012 #17

So you're saying religious people shouldn't be allowed to own firearms? ileus Feb 2012 #35

Not just religious people. Although I'm more concerned about carrying. Hoyt Feb 2012 #50

No news on her condition, but the carrier had MORE than a permit JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2012 #76

Awfully quiet around here today. I wonder why. Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #23

More likely in the library, reading the DSM-IV Skwid Feb 2012 #29

Tragic and unnecessary. Basic gun safety should be taught in public schools. slackmaster Feb 2012 #33

Florida has very lax gun laws HockeyMom Feb 2012 #41

are you ticked because gejohnston Feb 2012 #44

To answer. HockeyMom Feb 2012 #62

to answer number six gejohnston Feb 2012 #70

Ah, thanks for some humor in the Gungeon. Hoyt Feb 2012 #77

Seriously? PavePusher Feb 2012 #91

Great post. Hoyt Feb 2012 #53

Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #55

Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #71

Thank You fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #111

Another tragedy... ellisonz Feb 2012 #61

Church is the *perfect* place to show off your gun Simo 1939_1940 Feb 2012 #63

So you generally go into a small neighboring room to show off your gun? n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #64

One would generally not do it in a room full of people. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #83

I agree Union Scribe Feb 2012 #73

Unfortunately, it happens too often to chalk it up as just an "accident." Mistake was toting a gun. Hoyt Feb 2012 #78

"God, Guts and Guns " rl6214 Feb 2012 #68

And the Hits Keep on Coming fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #90

Right. Freedom never has any risk associated with it. PavePusher Feb 2012 #93

Freedom???? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #96

Carrying isn't the issue. Straw Man Feb 2012 #92

Umm... ellisonz Feb 2012 #97

Well ... Straw Man Feb 2012 #99

Maybe fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #105

How about ... Straw Man Feb 2012 #106

No fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #110

Sarcasm? Straw Man Feb 2012 #113

OK fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #123

Ok fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #126

Fact Is... fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #104

Fact? Straw Man Feb 2012 #107

"I have already done more about proper gun handling than you will ever do in your lifetime." discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #108

Really? fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #109

Fair enough. Straw Man Feb 2012 #112

No Need To fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #122

You asked, I answered. Straw Man Feb 2012 #124

You Want to Make.... fightthegoodfightnow Feb 2012 #125