Gun Control & RKBA

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts) Sun Jul 27, 2014, 08:28 AM Jul 2014

Gun control advocates have a victory to look forward to -- UPDATED [View all]

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Philly Mom Facing Jail Time for Possessing Licensed Gun

By Queen Muse

A single mother from Philadelphia could be facing up to three years in prison for what she and her attorney say was her effort to be honest with New Jersey authorities.

On Oct. 1, 2013, Shaneen Allen, 27, was pulled over in Atlantic County, New Jersey, for a routine traffic stop. When the officer approached her vehicle, the mother of two informed him that she had a handgun in the car and presented her concealed carry permit for Pennsylvania.

Allen quickly learned that her Pennsylvania gun license held no legal weight in New Jersey when instead of getting a traffic ticket, she was arrested and charged with unlawful possession of a weapon and armor penetrating bullets.

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If found guilty, Allen could face up to three years in prison with no chance of parole.

Read more: http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Philly-Mom-Facing-Jail-Time-For-Licensed-Gun-267507831.html#ixzz38feTNwH0

Not only does she face 3 years in prison without parole but as a convicted felon she loses the right to vote and the right to hold a job the healthcare industry, etc.

She works 2 jobs and fears for her safety because she has been robbed twice.

Good job law-worshippers. Good job. You have so much to be proud of.

*slow, metered clap*

UPDATE -- The prosecutor that is out to destroy Ms. Allen is the same prosecutor that let Ray Rice skate.

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Gun control advocates have a victory to look forward to -- UPDATED [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 OP

Why was she carrying 'armor penetrating bullets'? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #1

I'm not sure what "armor penetrating bullets" are, exactly. blueridge3210 Jul 2014 #2

it could be a misprint gejohnston Jul 2014 #3

I am curious on there definition Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #4

"armor-piercing" in .380? Didn't know there was such. Eleanors38 Jul 2014 #44

those new super special Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #52

Some writer getting in their regressive anti gun digs more than likely. ileus Jul 2014 #24

Yup, same as when they call a 1911 an "automatic".... NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #48

Back in the olden days, ManiacJoe Jul 2014 #108

Not armor penetratring, but hollow points. ManiacJoe Jul 2014 #63

too bad these laws pushed by some Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #5

Or, if she actually knew the laws that apply to the weapon she owned Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #6

3 years is the mandatory minimum sentence unless the DA opts for "1st time offender" program. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #7

Yes, people do have a right to earn their living Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #11

"Yes, people do have a right to earn their living without breaking laws." Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #14

Also convenient when you don't know Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #15

wow. Pro-RKBA'ers continually claim anti-2A'ers have no respect for other civil rights as well. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #17

I didn't convict her. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #23

Why not outright dismiss the charges? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #27

That's their prerogative too. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #31

Ignore he/she/them mikeysnot Jul 2014 #46

I suspect I'll always disagree with Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #49

I call them the swarm mikeysnot Jul 2014 #50

so what are your serious proposals? Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #53

He has none. blueridge3210 Jul 2014 #66

"Her" not "him." Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #74

Actually I was referring to all mikeysnot Jul 2014 #90

is there any evidence of that? Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #19

See reply #23. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #32

if she were a straw buyer gejohnston Jul 2014 #35

yes, very good question Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #37

see reply #23. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #38

And announce it to police when she was pulled over? Eleanors38 Jul 2014 #98

You can say the same thing about pot smokers krispos42 Jul 2014 #8

oh yes the stink of Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #10

As a matter of fact, I do obey the laws about illegal drugs. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #12

so you think the states are in the wrong Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #20

I'm for people who want it legal to change the laws legally. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #25

"I'm not for people breaking the law while it's still illegal." Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #28

Oh well. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #30

Following the law merely because it is "the law" is ALWAYS the basis for tyranny. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #79

I tend to see following the law Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #80

Sorry, just reread your post, and I misinterpreted it the first time. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #29

Or we could have one 50 state gun ban that would work upaloopa Jul 2014 #102

No. You can't. N/T beevul Jul 2014 #104

nope Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #106

The gun debates are always reruns upaloopa Jul 2014 #109

apology accepted Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #110

Has she been robbed twice at gunpoint? Loudly Jul 2014 #9

Whether or not the criminals were armed and if so, with what, is immaterial. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #13

However, if it WAS at gunpoint, perhaps guns are crime ENABLING? Loudly Jul 2014 #18

There are laws against robbing people. Why would those criminals suddenly obey gun laws? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #21

Obedience to law is one thing. Loudly Jul 2014 #26

Yes. Death by other means is so much less dead. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #33

Here. All for you. Loudly Jul 2014 #36

So, in other words you are celebrating the victory of destroying the mother in the OP. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #40

Oh hell no. Take her gun and put it to the cutting torch. Loudly Jul 2014 #42

So you're supporting the criminals who keep robbing her. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #45

Oh hell no. They should be arrested and prosecuted. Loudly Jul 2014 #57

"take her gun..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2014 #58

Are criminals typically compensated when their contraband is seized? Loudly Jul 2014 #59

define "contraband" n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2014 #71

The thing that gets you busted for having it? Loudly Jul 2014 #73

Like melanin. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #75

Yeah, I would totally set her free if I could. Loudly Jul 2014 #85

The gun is powerless, inert and inanimate when it is independent of its possessor. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #86

Which numbered post gives the link? Loudly Jul 2014 #87

and mabey she was not Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #22

They are pro-choice only after the rapist has had his fill. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #34

Yes, she has the right to Politicalboi Jul 2014 #82

Criminals never victimize the wrong person. Yah! KRIM'NALZ! Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #83

probably more like FMJ's than armor penetrating...or was it a 5.7??? ileus Jul 2014 #16

Hollow points. ManiacJoe Jul 2014 #64

Every state has different laws... deathrind Jul 2014 #39

Self-defense is a fundamental right. States do not get to choose how to regulate and enforce Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #41

Yes, States do have the right to regulate. deathrind Jul 2014 #47

"Yes, States do have the right to regulate." Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #76

The... deathrind Jul 2014 #81

How do states independently regulate the 1A? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #84

As with general prohibitionism and the W.O.D., the law Eleanors38 Jul 2014 #43

Simple way to resolve this problem, machine guns and bazookas are legal in all states for all ages randys1 Jul 2014 #51

nice you got the penis reference in Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #54

You guys are predictable, as soon as the correct penis observation comes in, you react randys1 Jul 2014 #55

Please take your longing for a 3rd party to GD or ATA DonP Jul 2014 #61

sigh randys1 Jul 2014 #62

"as soon as the correct penis observation comes in" Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #67

What she said! Eleanors38 Jul 2014 #99

So many questions but sarisataka Jul 2014 #68

I have no idea how these questions came from my comment randys1 Jul 2014 #88

If you are so opposed to guns, how can you possibly wish this woman to NOT face any consequences? Jenoch Jul 2014 #89

For being honest with authorities? while others point guns at federal agents and with randys1 Jul 2014 #92

So you can pick and choose which laws to enforce Jenoch Jul 2014 #93

God help me, what am I doing trying to reason with gun folks randys1 Jul 2014 #94

If you were using 'reason', I would not have responded to your posts. Jenoch Jul 2014 #95

insults, exactly what i would expect randys1 Jul 2014 #96

Insults? I was merely inquiring about which Jenoch Jul 2014 #97

"My being against guns in general has nothing to do with the injustice this Woman is facing..." Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #91

Be sure to forward all you penis references to the following organization -- Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #77

What would make her think her state issued permit was legal in NJ.. Historic NY Jul 2014 #56

Riiight, just like state-issue driver's licenses. appal_jack Jul 2014 #60

Most gun owners do know that NJ exists in its own odd world. ManiacJoe Jul 2014 #65

Well its not good in NY eitiher...... Historic NY Jul 2014 #69

Too sad for words. pablo_marmol Jul 2014 #70

I don't like mandatory sentences but Packerowner740 Jul 2014 #72

Stupid laws should be repealeded. And if they aren't repealed they should be ignored. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #78

It is her responsibility and hence her fault Matrosov Jul 2014 #100

What about the nature of her offense merits destroying her life and her family? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #101

"As a gun owner, it is her responsibility to be familiar with the gun laws of her state..." beevul Jul 2014 #105

NJ is a "may issue" state Matrosov Jul 2014 #111

Then NJ is wrong. beevul Jul 2014 #112

Gun toters keep saying "enforce the existing laws" mwrguy Jul 2014 #103

She is not the person with the criminal history being referred to in those statements Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #107

Justice discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #113

So a woman can be assaulted with impunity but a woman who wants to protect herself from an assault Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #114

Apathy discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #115

From thinkprogress discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #116

I call shenanigans (not on you but the excuse offered) Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #117

Elitism: the opaque wrapper for truth... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #118

Who needs a whistleblower? They're doing it right before our eyes. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #119

exactly discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #120