Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]jimmy the one
(2,708 posts)alcalix: You're not getting it. All violent crime declined during that period, not just guns.
Do you really think you are telling me anything I didn't already know? Reread my rebuttal to icon above.
alcalix: Rates declining is not the same as percentage of guns used to commit murder.
Duh.
alcalix: The proportion of guns used to commit murder did not change. Note that RATES of firearm homicide and PERCENTAGE of firearm homicides over all murders are fundamentally different.
I consider rates of firearm homicide essentially the same as percentage of firearm homicides over all murders, in the usual sense. If you mean rate of firearm homicide over time.... Pls explain.
In the event tho, you might win a battle but lose the war, since the firearm related violent crime rate dropped 25% to 35% over that period at times, about 20% on average per year, which you have avoided. The reduction in FA related violent crime rate disputes the point you are apparently driving at with the FA murder rates.
As well, the dramatic decline in FA related non fatal & fatal violent crime totals, from approx. 1.5 million in 1993 to 0.5 million in 2011, will make comparisons difficult on a small sampling such as FA murder which is only 2 or 3% of total.
alcalix: If gun availiablity was hampered you should expect firearm homicides as a percentage of all homicides to decline, they did not. In Australia they did decline after the buyback, thus we can say gun availability was hampered.
A relatively small sampling in Australia to work with in that regard; but I believe you correct & a credit to the 96/7 buyback, reducing the number of more lethally potent firearms.
alcalix: If guns became less available to criminals due to declining ownership we should expect that the percentage of gun murders over murders to decline. They did not.
It would be moreso that guns became less available to potential criminals, like suiciding father killing family, because father decided earlier not to become a gun owner.
And the percentage of gun related violent crime to total violent crime DID decline.