Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: What a novel idea! [View all]beevul
(12,194 posts)Last edited Wed Sep 3, 2014, 10:14 PM - Edit history (2)
You have a huge disconnect with all this.
"Give up seeing it as an undisputed "right"."
Lets say, for sake of discussion, we do that.
For sake of discussion, the right to carry is no longer an undisputed (whatever that means) right.
" Then think what it would be like if nobody, including the cops and the "bad guys" carried. Hold that thought. Would that save lives? If the answer is "Yes", then let's all work together and figure out how to get to that point, or damn close to it. If your answer is "No", then I've wasted enough time here."
Since carrying a gun is no longer a right, criminals who were already carrying illegally which is against the law, and who commit armed robbery which is against the law, and who murder others which is against the law, and who commit drive by shootings which is against the law, are going to decide not to carry a gun because its against the law, particularly since the cops no longer carry?
You can not possibly believe that.
Why would criminals that ignore laws against murder rape and robbery obey laws that say they can not carry a gun?
You almost slipped it by me. I knew something was bugging me about what you wrote but I couldn't quite put my finger on it until now. Lets have another look at part of what you wrote:
"If the answer is "Yes", then let's all work together and figure out how to get to that point, or damn close to it. If your answer is "No", then I've wasted enough time here."
(underlining mine)
You already have your mind made up, and if we find flaw with your suggestion or disagree, you've "wasted enough time here", and you're taking your ball and going home rather than subject your suggestion to rational scrutiny. Hardly what I'd expect from someone who mere hours ago was proselytizing:
"I don't want to have conversations with folk who have extreme views on anything, unless they are prepared to question those views and re-evaluate. Part of reality testing is about updating those old tapes that play in one's head."
(yeah, you said that)
If you meant what you said, and you really think "folk who have extreme views" should "question those views and re-evaluate", then you need to be aware of the following:
Proposing that a right that has existed since the founding of this nation, which a clear majority of Americans support as an individual right (amendment 2, and "B" is part of it), be reclassified into being a privilege, is proposing something extreme. Thinking that should be done, as you clearly do, is an extreme view.
You need to decide whether you will proceed by the standards you presume to set for us, or will not and be known as a hypocrite for it instead.
Your call.