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Straw Man

(6,947 posts)
71. Individual tragedies are not a scorecard for public policy.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:08 PM
Sep 2014
Seriously. Today we have a grandfather in Florida who decided to shoot to death his daughter and her 6 children.
I beginning to wonder where I might start to draw the line.
Do you have a line? A limit? 100 a day? 1000 a day?

How many alcohol-related deaths before you want to ban alcohol? Currently we're at 88,000 per year. It's a serious question. You can skip all the cant about "what guns are designed for." Public health is public health, n'est-ce pas?

What is the answer? As long as guns are popularized as "problem solvers", then some people with guns will use them to solve problems.
There needs to be a radical change in how guns are characterized. "Personal Protection Device" does not cut it.
"Deadly Weapon" does.

Guns are either problem solvers or problem creators, depending on who wields them. They are always deadly weapons. Fools will be fools, and no amount of "characterization" will change that.

Tools are ethically neutral; it is the use to which they are put that defines the moral quality.

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He should serve lots of time. Kalidurga Sep 2014 #1
Not only that, it should also be taken to a civil court with punitive damages for loss of a dog still_one Sep 2014 #76
In my humble opinion Kber Sep 2014 #2
This kind of behavior-- thucythucy Sep 2014 #5
Per the FBI site: discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2014 #6
Sounds good. thucythucy Sep 2014 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Jenoch Sep 2014 #12
They did take his guns, or at least the judge gave that order. Jenoch Sep 2014 #13
He has been charged with gejohnston Sep 2014 #59
fuck jollyreaper2112 Sep 2014 #3
On a much less crazy note Kber Sep 2014 #4
Add it to the list BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #7
Which people are those? Straw Man Sep 2014 #9
Why? daleanime Sep 2014 #54
Um ... Straw Man Sep 2014 #63
The way you responded to the previous post.... daleanime Sep 2014 #67
What are you trying to suggest? Straw Man Sep 2014 #70
"deliberately obtusely".... daleanime Sep 2014 #73
I like that "deliberately obtusely" Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #77
How many assholes would it take for you to think differently? Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #68
Individual tragedies are not a scorecard for public policy. Straw Man Sep 2014 #71
I don't want to ban anything. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #72
Yes, a very long list! nt Tumbulu Sep 2014 #11
A list of 80,000,00+ gun-owners. Which ones? Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #23
Yes, all of them- I am against idiots having access to firearms Tumbulu Sep 2014 #46
And some say Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #53
... IronGate Sep 2014 #60
It will take about a decade, but it will happen Tumbulu Sep 2014 #65
The insurance industry? Straw Man Sep 2014 #66
Uh huh. IronGate Sep 2014 #69
Shortage: Of gun-owners or guns? One is human and huge. Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #64
I have a longer list of why people can't be trusted with alcohol hack89 Sep 2014 #14
Did you ever wish that inebriated person had a gun? BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #17
It is a car in that drunk's hands that kills where I live hack89 Sep 2014 #19
You're not answering the question BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #24
Theres a reason for that. beevul Sep 2014 #25
just a few things gejohnston Sep 2014 #26
The statistics are purposely murky BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #30
The NRA probably used the CDC data. gejohnston Sep 2014 #41
Ooooh, that's a lot of facts for people that prefer bumper sticker thinking. DonP Sep 2014 #56
Of course I support rigorous background checks and storage laws. hack89 Sep 2014 #31
Here we have arrived at reasonable discussion BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #37
And there are posters like you hack89 Sep 2014 #38
There it is. BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #39
Irrational fear mongering elicits strong responses hack89 Sep 2014 #40
Is this civil liberty god-given? ret5hd Sep 2014 #61
I am an atheist so no hack89 Sep 2014 #62
Doesn't sound like a very good guy.... ileus Sep 2014 #8
The good guy with a gun is a childish meme hack89 Sep 2014 #15
Those who use memes like that do so to feel superior to those they put down friendly_iconoclast Sep 2014 #18
When all you have is a hammer.............(nt) blueridge3210 Sep 2014 #20
Obviously, what this guy did was wrong. Jenoch Sep 2014 #16
Nothing worse than a barking dog that's for sure. ileus Sep 2014 #21
This is the main reason that I more and more dislike dogs. SheilaT Sep 2014 #28
With the dogs we "adopted" I warned the owner we'd ship ileus Sep 2014 #32
My first thought was Flyboy_451 Sep 2014 #22
In this case, he would have shot the wrong owner. djean111 Sep 2014 #27
You do understand... tonedevil Sep 2014 #29
Go back and read my post again. Jenoch Sep 2014 #34
You also imply... tonedevil Sep 2014 #35
I did no such thing. Jenoch Sep 2014 #36
This... tonedevil Sep 2014 #42
Of course I was referring to the owners of the barking dog. Jenoch Sep 2014 #43
An innocent dog... tonedevil Sep 2014 #44
Not mentioning what? Jenoch Sep 2014 #45
Again, this... tonedevil Sep 2014 #47
My first statement was that it was wrong to kill the dog. Jenoch Sep 2014 #48
I will admit to using... tonedevil Sep 2014 #49
This is getting tiring. Jenoch Sep 2014 #50
they better remove ALL OF HIS GUNS + put him on the list to bar hm getting anymore + fucking search pansypoo53219 Sep 2014 #33
Remove all his guns.. forever. And community service at a dog shelter... for a year. DontTreadOnMe Sep 2014 #51
Why would a 'good' guy shoot ANY dog just for barking?..Doesn't sound good to me. n/t whathehell Sep 2014 #52
It's a miserable schtick for some on the pro-control side. blueridge3210 Sep 2014 #58
he should be in prison samsingh Sep 2014 #55
either prison or... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2014 #57
agreed samsingh Sep 2014 #74
i believe this is what the gun culture convinces people they can do these things samsingh Sep 2014 #75
If you really believe that about your local "gun culture", ManiacJoe Sep 2014 #78
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