Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]jimmy the one
(2,708 posts)beevul: And yet, he {joseph story} chose to describe "The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms..." instead of "the right of the militia to keep and bear arms..." as the "palladium of the liberties of a republic".
Only when you take justice story intentionally out of context, and/or use the 2nd amendment mythology bible, can one reach beevul's conclusion.
In context read what justice story wrote:
Justice Jos Story, circa early 1800: The militia is the natural defence of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections and domestic usurpations of power by rulers. It is against sound policy for a free people to keep up large military establishments and standing armies in time of peace both from the enormous expenses with which they are attended and the facile means which they afford to ambitious and unprincipled rulers to subvert the government or trample upon the rights of the people.
The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as the palladium of the liberties of a republic since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers and will generally even if these are successful the first instance enable the people to resist and triumph over them. And yet though this truth would seem so clear and the importance of a well regulated would seem so undeniable it cannot be disguised that among the American people there is a growing indifference to any system of militia discipline and a disposition from a sense of its burthens to be rid of all regulations.
How it is practicable to keep the people duly armed without some organization it is difficult to see. There is certainly no small danger that indifference may lead to disgust and disgust to contempt and thus gradually undermine all the protection intended by this clause of our national bill of rights http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Story
Observe & learn, beevul, from Justice Story's above paragraph, these two sentences:
1 The militia is the natural defence of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections and domestic usurpations of power by rulers
2 The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as the palladium of the liberties of a republic since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers
Fairly obviously was Justice Story speaking of one & the same entity - the militia.
Individuals with guns would be more a 'moral' reason for rulers to trump up some charge to suppress them, while the people as militia being the strong moral & physical check, the proper interpretation.
Also read this from the para, beevul: How it is practicable to keep the people duly armed without some organization it is difficult to see.
Why would Justice Story say that if it were an individual rkba he was referring to? why would he say that? Obviously his entire paragraph referred to the militia, not an individual rkba.
You demonstrated your naivete' & lack of understanding what Justice Story was about, beevul, by citing your 2nd amendment mythology. Just like scalia, trying to twist & distort what justice story meant.