Gun Control & RKBA

hack89

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275. So if we don't give up our guns we support killing babies?

Reply to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #272)

Wed Feb 11, 2015, 08:46 AM

Feb 2015

is that really your logic?

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Gun control for, "wealthy, white individuals who wish to be safe" Wow, just frickin' wow! [View all] DonP Feb 2015 OP

lordy....looks what they are repealing!!.. riversedge Feb 2015 #1

They still had a ban on weapons in parks? Veganstein Feb 2015 #2

ugh VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #3

I know, but it isn't her fault. Veganstein Feb 2015 #4

I wasn't agreeing with you.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #5

Aww. Well that's fine too. Veganstein Feb 2015 #6

It was about your user name and position... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #7

Incongruent? Sez who? Straw Man Feb 2015 #8

Says common sense... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #9

You just don't get it, do you. Straw Man Feb 2015 #11

I once thought of creating a website Veganstein Feb 2015 #12

Yeah....opposed to killing of animals for food... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #13

I don't support the killing of humans unless they are trying to kill other humans. Veganstein Feb 2015 #16

What were guns created for again? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #19

Which shows that a tiny tiny minority of legal gun owners will ever kill someone hack89 Feb 2015 #23

excuse me? What were guns created for again? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #265

300 million guns, in the hands of 80 million plus people... beevul Feb 2015 #24

right...and 75% of the children dying of gunshot wounds....Live with them! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #266

Everyone "lives with them". beevul Feb 2015 #285

Well you could argue guns were created for both killing animals and humans, but American humans NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #26

Such nonsense. beevul Feb 2015 #28

and sherrifs in the old west.....made gunslingers turn over their guns in town VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #270

Thats your proposal? beevul Feb 2015 #283

not true either gejohnston Feb 2015 #286

Destroying LIFE.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #267

We know - you don't like guns. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #27

No I don't like dead babies with holes in them... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #268

That really has nothing to do with what I posted... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #274

Ah, the old shtick .... Straw Man Feb 2015 #18

No the old... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #271

So, what are you doing about it? blueridge3210 Feb 2015 #277

Please verify. Straw Man Feb 2015 #288

Oh, I disagree. Veganstein Feb 2015 #10

but "unnecessary" (your word) harm to humans...you have no problem with THAT! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #14

Exactly the opposite. Veganstein Feb 2015 #15

The statistics belie your position... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #20

Baby cribs? Straw Man Feb 2015 #21

Again, I disagree. Veganstein Feb 2015 #22

Of course you do....its hypocritical... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #29

I cited an annual study by an agency of the federal government Veganstein Feb 2015 #31

and I gave you homicide and chilrens deaths from gunshot statistics from the CDC...SO???? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #32

It isn't a fact. The numbers we have discussed show exactly the opposite. Veganstein Feb 2015 #34

It IS a fact...how the hell can you even say that???? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #35

the truth.. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #36

actually, gejohnston Feb 2015 #43

I didn't cite Kleck and Gertz. I cited the Bureau of Justice Statistics. Veganstein Feb 2015 #46

practice what you preach jimmy the one Feb 2015 #63

and THAT is where it came from... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #79

There is no coherent response to those facts. It destroys their entire self defence foundation. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #77

furthermore...why its bullshit! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #37

is simply mathematically impossible. gejohnston Feb 2015 #47

what nerve from J jimmy the one Feb 2015 #65

We'll look forward to hearing from you next time... beevul Feb 2015 #66

notice he said could be gejohnston Feb 2015 #68

What percentage of "children younger than 20" sleep in cribs? beevul Feb 2015 #25

WTF...it wasnt ABOUT cribs! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #30

Looks like your attempt to Lovejoy the conversation isn't going too well... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2015 #33

Its going very well actually..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #39

You brought up cribs. Straw Man Feb 2015 #38

M.E.T.A.P.H.O.R.!!!! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #40

I think A.N.A.L.O.G.Y. is the more appropriate term. Straw Man Feb 2015 #41

No bad taste here....I was the one that said it....I think I know what I said and meant... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #42

Keep wriggling. Straw Man Feb 2015 #44

No reason to wriggle.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #45

Yet you persist in trying. Straw Man Feb 2015 #48

Don't have to try...I have truth and facts and figures on my side... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #49

Yes, you do, and no, you don't. You really don't. Straw Man Feb 2015 #50

Yes I do....the irony exists.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #51

Yes, in your mind. Straw Man Feb 2015 #52

Not just in my mind....according to the CDC too! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #53

Reality and the CDC. Straw Man Feb 2015 #54

Oh really? Is that your position... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #55

I'm not denying anything. Straw Man Feb 2015 #57

Oh and by the way....^^^^ that is more bullshit!...Its NOT the CDC... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #56

Bullshit? There's that word again. Straw Man Feb 2015 #58

bullshit....because it is bovinian FECES! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #69

Changing the subject, are we? Straw Man Feb 2015 #101

the subject remains the same as when I started....YOU changed the subject my friend VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #106

Really? YOU brought up the CDC. Straw Man Feb 2015 #107

Some? beevul Feb 2015 #59

Are children dying or not? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #70

Are we talking about "children" or are we talking about... beevul Feb 2015 #78

we are talking about the irony of being Vegan while also a gungeneer! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #80

Then stay on topic. beevul Feb 2015 #137

Alcohol kills 4300 underaged drinkers every year. That's 3.75 Sandy Hooks a week. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #113

How little you understand. beevul Feb 2015 #60

How little YOU are willing to face facts....Sensible Gun control is coming....just like Winter is on VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #71

I'm not the one that sees only those two alternatives. beevul Feb 2015 #73

what other alternative is there? Sensible gun control IS coming....take it to the bank! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #74

Education, for one. beevul Feb 2015 #76

I support gun ownership being treated exactly like car ownership... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #82

Really? discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #84

You need to have your operation of said car tested regularly! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #86

No you don't discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #89

Yes I do! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #91

How's that "exactly like car ownership" thing looking? N/T discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #93

did I say that cars are intended to destroy life? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #95

Letting go that mistake you wrote about... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #98

I've made no mistakes.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #99

Not much fun are you? discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #100

I'm shocked. beevul Feb 2015 #90

I didn't say I was opposed to BGC did I? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #92

You said "I support gun ownership being treated exactly like car ownership..." beevul Feb 2015 #97

People like you and me need a time machine, if we had one and it worked NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #81

I don't need anything....I have facts on my side... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #83

I know, I was just trying to give you some love on it. NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #87

I don't need your love.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #94

Ignoring? Straw Man Feb 2015 #103

What do I need to ignore? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #105

More unfounded slurs. Straw Man Feb 2015 #108

its not a slur...its the truth! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #109

It's hysterical ranting. Straw Man Feb 2015 #110

Have a nice night discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #115

Not upset.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #116

Whether or not you believe me... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #117

Your analogy cannot be used here. krispos42 Feb 2015 #231

WRONG! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #232

Yes, yes... "Oh please, won't somebody think of the children???" krispos42 Feb 2015 #233

Right....because you just proved my point... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #234

You lose krispos42 Feb 2015 #243

Gun lover but non meat eater is a conflict, for sure. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #72

Thank you! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #84

It is not odd if you take leave of all common sense and logic and facts. Then it sounds dandy. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #88

very true! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #96

Really? Straw Man Feb 2015 #102

Funny....people in other countries are not as afraid for their defense as some gun toting Americans VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #112

Do you have cite for your "2/3" stat? Straw Man Feb 2015 #118

Oh lets play shall we? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #120

OK -- Where's the 2/3 figure you cited? Straw Man Feb 2015 #124

Actually, that isn't scientific literature gejohnston Feb 2015 #125

and here is the kicker VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #122

Finally, the 2/3! Straw Man Feb 2015 #126

so what??? 65% are dying in their homes....by the guns their VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #145

Gun safety education could lower those numbers,with essentially no resistance from the pro-gun side. beevul Feb 2015 #151

Nope....but I also support strong gun control measures! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #154

I'm all for it being taught in high school, just like drivers ED. beevul Feb 2015 #156

I don't want to PAY for that! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #157

I guess firearms safety training isn't as important to you as you led us to believe. beevul Feb 2015 #160

It SHOULD be important enough for you to own them....that YOU pay for it! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #162

I've taken firearms safety training. beevul Feb 2015 #166

Why shouldn't I? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #264

You say "So what?" You want to use numbers ... Straw Man Feb 2015 #262

Yea I say so what... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #263

Non sequiturs and absurd ranting. Straw Man Feb 2015 #287

Everytown, seriously? gejohnston Feb 2015 #129

Ted NUGENT is all YOURS....you can't hide him from your ranks! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #144

no, Nugent isn't mine gejohnston Feb 2015 #279

and then there is this... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #123

all of which he pulled out of his ass gejohnston Feb 2015 #128

You keep telling yourself that....I trust LOD more than i do YOU! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #139

"children under the age of 20" beevul Feb 2015 #138

Last I checked....you have to be 21 to buy alcohol! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #140

Make sure you explain that to those registering for selective service, mkay? beevul Feb 2015 #148

so it wasn't about 20 yr olds dying in their homes...it was about those under 14...try not to be VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #182

I'm not the one calling adults "babies". Thats your argument. beevul Feb 2015 #185

I didn't and neither did that study.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #186

Then answer the question. How many babies die to firearms. N/T beevul Feb 2015 #188

Lets check the executive summary of the document and where they got data... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #150

Why? Few gun owners are hunters. hack89 Feb 2015 #104

Are they vegans? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #111

This thread was not about vegans ... Straw Man Feb 2015 #119

this conversation was.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #121

Ah ... Straw Man Feb 2015 #127

that isn't hypocrisy gejohnston Feb 2015 #130

a vegan gungeoneer IS hypocrisy....he said himself he was concerned about VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #141

No more a hypoctit than a gun control zealot that can't stay on topic... beevul Feb 2015 #149

YOU damn right I am a Gun Control Zealot....and proud of it VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #152

Now you're violating our sop. N/T beevul Feb 2015 #153

awwww.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #155

Not being able to take the heat, is better than not being able to behave... beevul Feb 2015 #158

awww....my fee fees! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #159

Says the poster that doesn't want to pay for firearms safety training. beevul Feb 2015 #161

You damn skippy I don't.....YOU want guns YOU pay for IT.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #163

Says you. beevul Feb 2015 #165

yeah says me....I already paid for YOUR kids education...I have no children VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #167

You don't have to pay for me to keep anything. beevul Feb 2015 #169

then do something about the babies dying! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #171

Love to, but unreasonable absolutist gun control zealots oppose universal gun safety training. beevul Feb 2015 #172

Yeah....no sweat right???...this is PEW by the way VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #173

What...we don't have gun control already? beevul Feb 2015 #176

Yeah I do....and I just posted two different polls....that show the opposite of what Pew said... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #179

We don't have gun control now? beevul Feb 2015 #180

Apparently not....babies are still dying... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #181

How many babies are dieing? beevul Feb 2015 #183

Under 14 yrs old...and YES babies ARE dying! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #184

Under 14 years old is a baby now? beevul Feb 2015 #187

Yes....do you have a 14 yr old? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #189

I had two of them. beevul Feb 2015 #192

How about the face of this one....shot in the head VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #196

For the nth time, how many babies are dieing? N/T beevul Feb 2015 #197

and lets check Politifact.. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #198

That says children, not babies. N/t beevul Feb 2015 #200

since when are children okay to die from gunshot wounds? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #201

Who said it was ok? beevul Feb 2015 #204

YOU DID! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #205

Nonsense. beevul Feb 2015 #209

Not nonsense.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #213

To use in public, yes. beevul Feb 2015 #215

So babies shot in their homes is okay??? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #216

So you still beat your dog? N/T beevul Feb 2015 #218

Well if I did...doubt he would have lived to the age of 16 yrs... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #220

Gun control pusher talking point. beevul Feb 2015 #221

Unequivocally....as are MOST Democrats... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #222

Other than the 1/3 of Democrats that are gun owners. beevul Feb 2015 #225

and STILL most believe in Gun Control... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #269

Everyone that actively posts on DU including this group, believe in some sort of gun control. beevul Feb 2015 #284

and more VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #190

and a 3 yr old.....is that old enough for you to be comfortable with it? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #191

and another VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #193

How many do you need to start to feel icky? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #194

I wont feel "icky" about things I did not perpetrate. Why should I? beevul Feb 2015 #195

but YOU don't want to see that situation under control.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #199

Says the poster that opposes universal gun safety training. beevul Feb 2015 #202

I oppose it in schools yes.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #203

Of course you do. beevul Feb 2015 #206

No it isn't....lived my entire life....even as a female...without one! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #207

ok, you've crossed the line. beevul Feb 2015 #210

Well children dying doesn't seem to bother you....yet THAT does... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #211

Its ceased to be about anything but your bad behavior, at this point. beevul Feb 2015 #212

Oh bad "behavior" bothers you....but not dead babies? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #214

Your bad behavior makes impossible, any debate. beevul Feb 2015 #217

You mean my argument makes YOU uncomfortable! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #219

Thats the point. You aren't making any argument. beevul Feb 2015 #223

My argument is...Babies are dying.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #224

I don't have any "blue steel". beevul Feb 2015 #226

whatever it is....you have one... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #227

Teddy bears aren't so good at killing the coyotes that want to eat my dogs. beevul Feb 2015 #228

Oh yeah....Coyotes are why we have so many guns in America....right! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #230

There are "so many" guns because people want them. beevul Feb 2015 #237

and if people want a Sawwed off shotgun...or a rocket fired grenade launcher... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #239

Both are legal to own. beevul Feb 2015 #240

Not if the barrel is too short... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #241

Oh yes, they can be owned. Legally. beevul Feb 2015 #242

Right...he was REGULATED!!!! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #244

Do you think another kid has died, which education would have prevented? N/T beevul Feb 2015 #245

Well I know if fewer people had guns.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #246

Take it up with the people pulling the triggers. beevul Feb 2015 #249

Have you ever met a gun owner that admitted they weren't "responsible" VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #252

Have you ever met a "reasonable" gun control proponent that admitted they weren't reasonable? beevul Feb 2015 #254

Huh? That doesn't even make sense? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #255

It makes perfect sense to everyone but you. beevul Feb 2015 #258

"Just wanting something" is not a good enough reason to own something that DESTROYS LIFE!" beevul Feb 2015 #247

In Canada, gejohnston Feb 2015 #281

and.....I stand against this... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #208

and I see you VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #177

Bullshit. This is not a safe haven Group for gun lovers only. You only wish it were. nt Electric Monk Feb 2015 #229

You're confused about which group you're posting in. beevul Feb 2015 #235

You're wrong again. Here's the GC &RKBA SOP that VanillaRhapsody was *not* violating. Electric Monk Feb 2015 #236

How many posts would you like me to link to where no attempt at discussion was made eh? beevul Feb 2015 #238

Why would being a vegan preclude one from punching holes in pieces of paper? hack89 Feb 2015 #133

That would be because there is no logic. blueridge3210 Feb 2015 #134

A "VEGAN" is much different than a vegetarian...AND VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #143

Again with the false equivalency blueridge3210 Feb 2015 #168

No....but a person who IS a V.E.G.A.N. and concerned with the "unnecessary" killing of animals VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #170

You can't even get that right. beevul Feb 2015 #175

You don't find dead children from gunshot wounds "unnecessary"? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #248

Absolutely I do. beevul Feb 2015 #251

Thanks for agreeing that we need stronger Gun Control! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #253

You'll get nothing and like it... beevul Feb 2015 #256

Awww did I hurt your feelings....did you have to hold your weapon closer to your heart when I said VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #257

Like I said, and you've given more evidence of... beevul Feb 2015 #259

Agreement with an outcome, does not mean agreement with methodology. N/T beevul Feb 2015 #261

and VEGANS do care what OTHER people are doing....they don't even use animal products! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #250

None of which contradicts, or even touches on, anything I said in the post you responded to. N/T beevul Feb 2015 #260

Just like he said....he is a vegan concerned about "the unnecessary killing of animals" VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #142

You are putting words in his mouth hack89 Feb 2015 #146

THAT is exactly what he SAID! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #147

So every gun owner supports killing babies hack89 Feb 2015 #174

Remember, you're dealing with a poster that opposes universal gun safety training. beevul Feb 2015 #178

75% of them in the industrialized world live here... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #272

So if we don't give up our guns we support killing babies? hack89 Feb 2015 #275

If yuo don't support Sensible Gun Regulation...Yes you do! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #289

So what is sensible gun regulation? hack89 Feb 2015 #291

Whatever it takes so that fewer people have them! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #292

Or here is another set of ideas... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #293

All but number 2 are reasonable hack89 Feb 2015 #295

they are ALL Reasonable...and MOST people agree with them VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #296

I own AR15s for competitive target shooting hack89 Feb 2015 #300

Sure you do! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #301

Ok. Bye. Nt hack89 Feb 2015 #304

Yeah....LOL! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #305

Ok. Nt hack89 Feb 2015 #306

besides....if you cannot hit a target with one of those VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #303

Then why are you arguing with the one person in this thread that DOES support VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #297

Because you are insulting, immature and rude hack89 Feb 2015 #298

tough shit....babies are dying! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #299

No. All you are doing is making yourself seem morally superior hack89 Feb 2015 #302

But Hack, Shes winning hearts and minds. beevul Feb 2015 #309

are you for banning alcohol Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #307

Or listen to THIS guy... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #294

the industrialized world gejohnston Feb 2015 #280

No it isn't that means ones not already bombed into the StoneAge by wars etc. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #290

you slept through history didn't you? gejohnston Feb 2015 #308

Rapists are free moral beings. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #114

Thanks. My morning chuckle! Do you engage in debate with Flat Earthers? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #135

You consider yourself analogous to a flat-earther? Interesting. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #136

This is typical. virginia mountainman Feb 2015 #17

It is quite possible that the very rich would love to see citizens disarmed. ... spin Feb 2015 #310

who got the applause? jimmy the one Feb 2015 #61

We all lay awake nights worrying about your opinion of us DonP Feb 2015 #62

apoplectic rant jimmy the one Feb 2015 #64

Nope, most of our Dems here do a pretty good job with gun rights. DonP Feb 2015 #67

You are right...Most Democrats DO support Sensible Gun Regulation... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #273

Yup, thanks to Dems we now have 50 state concealed carry DonP Feb 2015 #276

nutty thinking on shall issue jimmy the one Feb 2015 #278

Another pointless D'uh from Jimmy the Zero DonP Feb 2015 #282

They insist they are true liberals, but there is no evidence of it. Who else requires no evidence? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #75

So, you're the arbiter of what a true liberal is? GGJohn Feb 2015 #131

... GGJohn Feb 2015 #132

"Weapons charges" bluestateguy Feb 2015 #164