Gun Control & RKBA

friendly_iconoclast

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47. It's not up to you to make that choice for others. Let *your* leaders set an example...

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 08:42 PM

Feb 2015

... and forgo armed security.

I note that, for all his blather about guns, Bloomberg never upheld any standards for issuance
of gun permits in New York City, nor did the rich and famous have much problem getting one

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Emily FINALLY gets her gun. [View all] VScott Feb 2015 OP

These folks want people dead, it helps the statistics ileus Feb 2015 #1

A right wing Republican, worked in the Bush administration, and for FAUX and the Moonie Times Electric Monk Feb 2015 #2

Tell us again how you're the arbitar of who belongs GGJohn Feb 2015 #3

DU Terms Of Service Electric Monk Feb 2015 #4

So because we are criticizing DC's firearms laws, GGJohn Feb 2015 #5

When you support right wing causes, it makes you a right winger too. Self-evident. nt Electric Monk Feb 2015 #9

Criticizing DC's firearm laws is a RW cause? GGJohn Feb 2015 #11

For controllers blueridge3210 Feb 2015 #12

Untrue. There are many parts of the PATRIOT ACT that I think go way too far. Electric Monk Feb 2015 #13

And how about laws blueridge3210 Feb 2015 #14

That again? I have no problem complying, even though I don't have to where I live. Electric Monk Feb 2015 #15

So you find the law "reasonable"? (nt) blueridge3210 Feb 2015 #16

It doesn't matter what I think of that law, but I love how I'm inside your head rent free over it. Electric Monk Feb 2015 #17

Sure it matters. blueridge3210 Feb 2015 #19

twisting in the wind again Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #59

It matters when you stake a claim to being "reasonable" beevul Feb 2015 #21

So is it reasonble or not Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #58

How do you feel about kiddie porn laws. Reasonable or no? Photographs never killed anyone. nt Electric Monk Feb 2015 #64

Logic Fail. Epic. blueridge3210 Feb 2015 #70

Hand drawn or computer generated kiddie porn can land you in jail, too, so the fail is all yours. nt Electric Monk Feb 2015 #74

That part, I would have an issue with as an overstep Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #77

so did you call me an idiot or not? Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #78

amazing how easy that as Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #76

reasonable Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #75

Computer generated or hand drawn, with no actual kids involved, can still land you in jail. Electric Monk Feb 2015 #79

see my other response Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #81

I agree. Listen to what one prominent right-winger had to say about race recently: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2015 #25

I dont have a problem with rightwing views on this site, but when those who hold those views randys1 Feb 2015 #27

What's the problem? DU allows the followers of a crypto-fascist billionaire to post here friendly_iconoclast Feb 2015 #29

Gun people are entertaining...problem is guns kill people and are not necessary in a randys1 Feb 2015 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Feb 2015 #31

Show me this "civilized society" of which you speak. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #34

are you in a contest for straw man of the year? LOL randys1 Feb 2015 #35

You said we live in a civilized society which made owning a gun obselete. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #37

There are several links on this thread showing you that a gun in the home randys1 Feb 2015 #40

"We live in a civilized society where using a gun for self protection is RARELY done." Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #42

By the way, for someone bellyaching about strawmen it took a lot of chutzpah to write -- Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #39

Well, we have established owning a gun for protection is not necessary or a reality randys1 Feb 2015 #41

Say who? You? Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #63

He likes to play fast and loose with terms, i.e. the previous accusation of my having made a threat. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #67

yep, appears he just called me an idiot Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #73

We don't live in the 'civilized society' you spoke of, and you cannot uninvent guns friendly_iconoclast Feb 2015 #43

I am not a member of any such church randys1 Feb 2015 #44

"Could it be the NRA and gun mfgs here are so strong..." Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #48

Didnt the majority of their membership want background checks? Why didnt that happen? randys1 Feb 2015 #51

"Didnt the majority of their membership want background checks? Why didnt that happen?" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #53

"If you're so eager to see UBCs why scuttle the legislation with impotent measures like magazine... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2015 #55

very true Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #68

Is this law reasonable Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #66

"I want a gun to play with and it doesn't matter how many have to die for me to retain that right" friendly_iconoclast Feb 2015 #36

I simply said that self defense is not a legitimate reason to own a gun for most of us randys1 Feb 2015 #38

It's not up to you to make that choice for others. Let *your* leaders set an example... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2015 #47

Ahh, so we just keep killing kids and so on, got it. Not up to a society to say no more randys1 Feb 2015 #49

"Ahh, so we just keep killing kids and so on" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #52

Ahh, a Lovejoy's Law reference! Your sort do *so* love emotional arguments: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2015 #54

wow Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #65

what about the others "most" Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #69

So you admit that owning a gun for fun, is more important to you than stopping the slaughter randys1 Feb 2015 #96

And recreation is an excellent reason. hack89 Feb 2015 #88

And even though gun ownership leads to FAR more deaths than if we did not have guns randys1 Feb 2015 #94

It is the same reason I refuse to give up drinking beer and bourbon. hack89 Feb 2015 #95

again, I wish more on your side would admit that it will NEVER matter how many randys1 Feb 2015 #97

We just want you to be honest and less hypocritical. hack89 Feb 2015 #98

Ridiculous argument and you know it. You were doing so well, then you went and did this LOL randys1 Feb 2015 #99

Everything I said was true to the honest reader hack89 Feb 2015 #100

Nonsense. Guns are like NOTHING ELSE and to say otherwise is nonsense. randys1 Feb 2015 #101

So the number of deaths is not relevant? hack89 Feb 2015 #102

Another response that has nothing to do with anything, randys1 Feb 2015 #104

I am for less death through different means than you hack89 Feb 2015 #106

I just realized I am in the wrong forum, not being sarcastic. randys1 Feb 2015 #107

Don't go away mad hack89 Feb 2015 #108

Oh gosh, not mad. I dont get mad when someone who is wrong argues with me LOL randys1 Feb 2015 #109

Your refusal to accept no other solution other than your own is certainly emotional. hack89 Feb 2015 #110

So you are not voting Democratic? And you dont want to work with other Democrats? randys1 Feb 2015 #111

Who else refuses to work with a liberal anti gun Democrat on non gun issues? randys1 Feb 2015 #112

I don't need to work with you to elect Dems. hack89 Feb 2015 #113

"which would mean most cops wouldnt need them anymore" EX500rider Feb 2015 #122

How many kids are you willing to mangle to death in DUI accidents or poison from over-indulgence Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #103

This is why we will have to force people to give up their toys...when alleged liberals randys1 Feb 2015 #105

You didn't answer the question, all you did was resort to authoritarianism. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #115

Last comment here so you wont use my silence to , well, silence me, which I know you want to do randys1 Feb 2015 #116

You're dodging. You're obviously scared to answer the fact that -- by your own rhetoric -- you Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #117

You are EMBARRASSING yourself -- comparing alcohol to guns-- stop it, we are losing randys1 Feb 2015 #119

That's not a refutation, that's just another dodge. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #120

Adam Lanza was a myth? He had no criminal record prior to the Sandy Hook massacre. Electric Monk Feb 2015 #121

He killed his own mother before the massacre. Or had you forgotten. N/T beevul Feb 2015 #124

No prior criminal record was the point being addressed. He was a spree killer with an ar-15. nt Electric Monk Feb 2015 #125

Well, if you are deliberately selective, to the point of ignoring the word "most" I suppose. beevul Feb 2015 #127

Direct quote: "The notion of the virgin killer is a myth." so even 1 example proves that wrong. nt Electric Monk Feb 2015 #128

Make up your mind. beevul Feb 2015 #129

WTF? Learn to read. My posts are consistent. Lanza was a "virgin" spree killer with no criminal rec. Electric Monk Feb 2015 #130

You learn to read. beevul Feb 2015 #131

Do you understand that "virgin killer" means "no prior record"? Both posts are about the same thing. Electric Monk Feb 2015 #132

I think "virgin record" would be a closer fit. beevul Feb 2015 #133

James Eagan Holmes is ANOTHER example of a spree killer with no prior record. Electric Monk Feb 2015 #134

Its the exception, not the rule. beevul Feb 2015 #136

James Holmes was also reported by a mental health professional as being potentially dangerous. The Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #137

Self-righteousness is a gateway drug ... Straw Man Feb 2015 #118

Now now, NU, you need to get with the program. beevul Feb 2015 #135

Let see - removal of arms from the common citizenry has been a RW staple for centuries... NutmegYankee Feb 2015 #45

The Democratic party platform endorses 2nd Amendment rights. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #83

subject to reasonable regulation (link) Electric Monk Feb 2015 #84

The assault weapon ban was a farce at best. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #86

"...who gets to decide what is reasonable." DonP Feb 2015 #92

Well, people who know guns... NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #139

what event would of having that reinstated Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #90

My original inclination was leaning towards no, but seeing just how batshit nuts it makes you, Electric Monk Feb 2015 #114

Still can't answer a simple question Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #123

"for politically liberal people" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #7

+1000. eom. GGJohn Feb 2015 #10

And what, if anything does that have to do with her ordeal... VScott Feb 2015 #6

We don't want to be seen tolerating civil rights for the wrong sort of people, would we? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #8

Just as soon as you guys explain turning a blind eye to blooomergs racism. beevul Feb 2015 #18

The association fallacy *only* works in one direction for that sort friendly_iconoclast Feb 2015 #22

Except in the case of bloomberg... beevul Feb 2015 #23

They spend much energy pretending he hasn't said or done the things he has friendly_iconoclast Feb 2015 #24

Don't YOU forget this one oneshooter Feb 2015 #20

Can you answer this question? Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #56

Yes, i most certainly can. I know my answer. I love how it's driving you batshit nuts, too. Electric Monk Feb 2015 #62

so are you callling me an "idiot" Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #72

Congratulations to Emily.... gcomeau Feb 2015 #26

you read the Kellerman "study" didn't you? gejohnston Feb 2015 #28

While I am familiar with it... no... gcomeau Feb 2015 #32

all of them have the same problem gejohnston Feb 2015 #57

Democrats who love their guns do so for one of two reasons, or both randys1 Feb 2015 #33

All three are great reasons. ileus Feb 2015 #60

Forgive me if I'm not cheering. Neon Gods Feb 2015 #46

Her employers have studiously ignored everyone else that has called for her dismissal friendly_iconoclast Feb 2015 #50

Does that make you happy? Neon Gods Feb 2015 #71

The key words here are "spoke at a rally". VScott Feb 2015 #61

It's about ethics Neon Gods Feb 2015 #80

fair enough, gejohnston Feb 2015 #82

LOL.... virginia mountainman Feb 2015 #93

That's one of those 'be careful what you wish for' kind of things. VScott Feb 2015 #126

How can anyone defend the D.C. ban? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #85

She needs that gun mwrguy Feb 2015 #87

Because every gun owner is a murderer in waiting hack89 Feb 2015 #89

It's sad we have to fight the 1% for such a basic right. ileus Feb 2015 #91

One female down, thousands of poor victims to go. ileus Feb 2015 #138