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Gun Control & RKBA

In reply to the discussion: Arming America [View all]

jimmy the one

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20. some valid criticism, no doubt
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 12:07 PM
Mar 2015

mel: To the uninitiated, they can seem like witch hunts but they are careful and thoughtful examination of the sources, the work and the conclusions.

Some can be truthful, true; there was indeed valid criticism of bellesiles, but there was also a bit of biased twisting & dismissal of much truth in what he wrote.
My opinion is that much criticism of bellesiles focused on the relatively few errors which he undoubtedly made whether intentionally or unintentionally, transmogrified them and painted the entire book as worthless, & that about anything MB wrote in 'Arming America' was suspect. There was much of value in Arming America, and of course always will be.

mel : If you write an academic work, you must be prepared for this level of scrutiny.

This pertains across the board, & thus perhaps you can tell me how you feel about gun guru john lott & his pro-gun books?

PS: I inadvertently misread icon for you in earlier reply, but I actually agree with him for a change, my application of dissemble would not fit well. The apology is to mel moose, not to icon.

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Arming America [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 OP
witch hunting continued jimmy the one Feb 2015 #1
If he published that he counted records that do not exist Mojorabbit Feb 2015 #2
There's lots more to it than that- jimmy elided the damning conclusion... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2015 #3
board bigot speaks jimmy the one Mar 2015 #8
That fact that outright fraud cannot be established does nothing to diminish the fact Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #4
Thank you for admitting and providing PROOF of super crappy scholarshipon Bellesiles' part. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #5
1877 jimmy the one Mar 2015 #6
Swiftboating by the NRA, huh? Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #7
Yup, he was outed by fellow academics DonP Mar 2015 #9
for a better perspective jimmy the one Mar 2015 #10
The university did not bounce Bellesiles because of the NRA. They bounced him because REAL Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2015 #11
Wiener melm00se Mar 2015 #12
well, mel jimmy the one Mar 2015 #14
No, 'disassemble' is the right word, as in "took apart" friendly_iconoclast Mar 2015 #15
mea culpa jimmy the one Mar 2015 #17
I believe one Professor E. Clapton has best described what happened to Bellesisles... friendly_iconoclast Mar 2015 #18
response melm00se Mar 2015 #19
some valid criticism, no doubt jimmy the one Mar 2015 #20
respone melm00se Mar 2015 #21
More utter bullshit. GGJohn Mar 2015 #13
Don't you know that the NRA secretly controls both Columbia *and* Emory universities? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2015 #16
Bellisiles' book, IMO, crippled the academic status gun-controllers enjoyed... Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #22
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