Gun Control & RKBA

pipoman

(16,038 posts)

31. It is stymieing how many apparently smart people are so ignorant..

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 08:55 AM

Feb 2012

believing that there is only one 'tool'..laughable really. I've got a shocker for ya..get ready...there is actually NO MENTION of 'hammer' in any definition of 'tool'. How can this be since hammers are the only tool known to man...amazing.

1tool
noun \ˈtül\
Definition of TOOL
1
a : a handheld device that aids in accomplishing a task b (1) : the cutting or shaping part in a machine or machine tool (2) : a machine for shaping metal : machine tool
2
a : something (as an instrument or apparatus) used in performing an operation or necessary in the practice of a vocation or profession <a scholar's books are his tools> b : an element of a computer program (as a graphics application) that activates and controls a particular function <a drawing tool> c : a means to an end <a book's cover can be a marketing tool> d often vulgar : penis
3
: one that is used or manipulated by another
4
plural : natural ability <has all the tools to be a great pitcher>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tool

Nobody who is honest can dispute that a gun fits the above definition.

Just in case visual aid is needed..

A tool in use.

Another tool in use (plasma mass spectrometer).

So how about cutting the disingenuity?

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

124 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Attn: American Gun Lovers - The Blessings of Civilization Are Required! [View all] ellisonz Feb 2012 OP

Charlton Heston = Moron bowens43 Feb 2012 #1

A hero at FR safeinOhio Feb 2012 #2

honestly -- Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #6

What's FR? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #66

Oh my... ellisonz Feb 2012 #71

Thanks discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #72

What a perfect solution! The Amerikan way! Starboard Tack Feb 2012 #3

Plenty of goblins here at home that need taken care of first. ileus Feb 2012 #4

who gives a shit what Moses says? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #5

Looks as though our policy in Egypt is burf Feb 2012 #7

Well, the opening paragraph was entertaining. ManiacJoe Feb 2012 #8

fyi Broderick Feb 2012 #9

Aww thanks! ellisonz Feb 2012 #10

no problem Broderick Feb 2012 #11

cute. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #20

odd ... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #18

Just letting the op know it was alerted on Broderick Feb 2012 #35

and yet my thread was locked for questions regarding the same issue.... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #37

I think it is merely luck of the draw Broderick Feb 2012 #39

uhm .... no, THE HOST LOCKED my thread and told me to go to META to discuss a jury verdict Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #40

sorry I wasn't aware of your particular situation Broderick Feb 2012 #42

it is my understanding that it needs to passed along in H&M. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #45

Only if there is a question about it or a complaint Broderick Feb 2012 #47

in public forum when a PM would have sufficed ... of course that it your right and indeed, it is my Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #49

If that floats your boat Broderick Feb 2012 #51

whatever trips your trigger Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #52

LOL Broderick Feb 2012 #58

peace Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #60

If same jury that ruled on this gejohnston Feb 2012 #41

no, THIS IS A HOSTING ISSUE Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #44

absolute terms gejohnston Feb 2012 #12

Do I get the feeling that you believe that all gunowners hope for the chance... spin Feb 2012 #13

Would you deny that some do? ellisonz Feb 2012 #14

If the bad guy was a active mass murdering child molesting arsonist rapist home invader? Remmah2 Feb 2012 #15

It's a shame that you didn't watch the video... spin Feb 2012 #16

Yeah - I got better things to do with a half-hour... ellisonz Feb 2012 #17

like what? gazing into your crystal ball and reading people's minds. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #19

Hey spin gazed first... ellisonz Feb 2012 #23

I have said many times that they are a tool. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #24

Well if they are tools... ellisonz Feb 2012 #25

you know I do not alert. we have had this conversation before. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #27

Well then I don't understand your charge that "it borders on ToS violation on several counts." ellisonz Feb 2012 #28

functionally gejohnston Feb 2012 #29

you do realize what 157 votes mean in the scheme of things, right? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #43

That is just a shotgun, what difference does it make that it has plastic instead of wood? rl6214 Feb 2012 #100

It's scaaaaary! Johnny Rico Feb 2012 #101

Very astute. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #48

Guns have spread death and oppression for centuries. n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #63

Guns have also saved lives and enabled freedom for centuries. n/t Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #67

So why so much objection to reasonable gun control? ellisonz Feb 2012 #68

The last time we did that.... PavePusher Feb 2012 #69

Seems the Brits had some sense... ellisonz Feb 2012 #70

I'm all for reasonable gun control. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #80

"But I'm sure many folks would be happy to sell firearms to anyone with the cash to buy them." ellisonz Feb 2012 #81

If you want guns, yes, you have to purchase them. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #84

So it's all about the money. ellisonz Feb 2012 #86

Yes, buying guns is about money. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #88

That would be people. Callisto32 Feb 2012 #112

IF guns are just a tool, why isn't there safeinOhio Feb 2012 #30

It is stymieing how many apparently smart people are so ignorant.. pipoman Feb 2012 #31

"apparently smart people are so ignorant.." safeinOhio Feb 2012 #33

ah, but the inverse is that the hammer is already defined as a tool Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #56

Agreed, even though safeinOhio Feb 2012 #57

~ Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #59

The Cohen brothers are a couple of my film-making heroes. Callisto32 Feb 2012 #113

Nobody is claiming a hammer isn't a tool.. pipoman Feb 2012 #73

how about the NAHB? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #38

IF you wish to call a CCW holder, safeinOhio Feb 2012 #53

please don't call me late for supper. thanks. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #54

Probably because there is no concerted effort to strip people of their hammers. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #50

No paradox, merely complexity. Callisto32 Feb 2012 #111

We do indeed live in a society that glorifies violence... spin Feb 2012 #34

And gun owners are hardly immune from that... ellisonz Feb 2012 #61

Before the Dirty Harry movies, .44 magnum revolvers... spin Feb 2012 #74

IIRC gejohnston Feb 2012 #76

I havn't watched the entire series... spin Feb 2012 #78

lol ellisonz Feb 2012 #82

In the cases I described... spin Feb 2012 #85

"They were not members of the gun culture." ellisonz Feb 2012 #87

Plenty of people are intestested in the marital arts... spin Feb 2012 #90

A lof of it depends on your definition of membership in the culture... ellisonz Feb 2012 #91

While the people at the range that I consider to be part of the gun culture... spin Feb 2012 #93

I for one question the gun obsession... ellisonz Feb 2012 #94

I find shooting challeging... spin Feb 2012 #98

"And now we will pound our swords into plowshares and proceed with peace." - Cincinnatus ellisonz Feb 2012 #99

I have two cousins visiting this week... Clames Feb 2012 #115

This stops being fun for millions of Americans every year. WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #119

Those who suffer from gun violence... ellisonz Apr 2012 #120

So are you saying that..... WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #122

Yes. ellisonz Apr 2012 #123

How long do you think this has been going on? WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #124

"Gun culture" has always seemed, to me, a very loose term. Johnny Rico Feb 2012 #92

By my definition I am currently a retired member of the gun culture... spin Feb 2012 #95

That's a very narrow definition that you're using. Johnny Rico Feb 2012 #97

Yes, my definition is indeed very limited... spin Feb 2012 #104

"Good example of the foolishness that permeates much of the gun culture." rl6214 Feb 2012 #102

Plain hokum. n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #103

I remember the first time my wife shot a 44 mag... ileus Feb 2012 #89

Ouch! (n/t) spin Feb 2012 #96

There is nothing romantic about hammers.... Clames Feb 2012 #21

Really? ellisonz Feb 2012 #22

Who's comparing guns to hammers? pipoman Feb 2012 #32

When the claim is made that guns are simply tools... ellisonz Feb 2012 #64

Maybe pipoman Feb 2012 #75

Wrong... DanTex Feb 2012 #77

Then why no measurable reduction pipoman Feb 2012 #79

The fact that the US with its lax gun laws has by far the highest homicide rates DanTex Feb 2012 #83

Just because a particular style of weapon is obsolete or out-of-style..... PavePusher Feb 2012 #36

Better watch out for the scary guy carrying a hammer. ellisonz Feb 2012 #65

Do a google search for "murders committed by hammers"... spin Feb 2012 #105

You actually just presented a good argument for better gun control. ellisonz Feb 2012 #106

So if firearms were banned... spin Feb 2012 #107

Who said anything about ban? ellisonz Feb 2012 #108

If we had better enforcement of existing laws... spin Feb 2012 #109

It's not the gun control movement that is holding up a bill like that. ellisonz Feb 2012 #110

So this whole myth thing you posted... Clames Feb 2012 #117

I think you need to re-read those blog posts in full. n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #118

How is that an argument for gun control? Callisto32 Feb 2012 #114

Hammers probably kill more people each year than the gun in your cartoon. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #55

Clames, I have to disagree ... I find all those tools beautiful in their own right. I appreciate Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #26

More guns do not always equal less crime. Atypical Liberal Feb 2012 #46

India & Egypt discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #62

Hillary Clinton says they're going to get weapons on their own. ileus Feb 2012 #116

India has started their version of our NRA, called Indians for Guns. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #121