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jimmy the one

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10. a gn's false premises
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 03:13 PM
Apr 2015

donP: I mean how bad do you have to feel about yourself, to actually be disappointed and in denial over a 30+ year record low violent crime rate?

You create a bigoted & sickening false premise, obviously to feed your own ego & diminish your opponents, who make more sense than you ever will.

A couple things faulty in your implications. One is that, from early 90's to 2000, gun ownership declined approx. 30%, the same time period which saw dramatic declines in violent crime rates. Since 2000 gun ownership has also declined but not as large a rate, remaining approx. 2 in 9 personally own a firearm. Approx 3 in ten households own a firearm, iirc accd'g to GSS & Pew.

In other words, since the early 90's there is a correlation between declining gun ownership rates & declining violent crime rates.

Since JFK was assassinated, & semi automatic firearms came en vogue, the violent crime rate sits doubled in the year 2013;
Circa 1960's the national gunstock was approx. 75 millions, 300 millions today.
In other words, national gunstock increased 300% since 1960's and the violent crime rate has near doubled since then.
MORE GUNS MORE CRIME.
Moreover, in intervening years between 60's & now, the violent crime rate hit the top end of the roller coaster ride at near quadrupling.
You ignore the ugly years & cherry pick red delicious.

...... pop .......... total crime...... viol ... property ... murder
1964 .. 191,141,000 .. 2,388.1 .. 190.6 .. 2,197.5 .. 4.9
1993 ..257,908,000 .. 5,484.4 .. 746.8 .. 4,737.7 .. 9.5
2013 .. 316,128,839 .. 3,098.6 .. 367.9 .. 2,730.7 .. 4.5

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

don p: The control side is absolutely sure of so many things that just never happen

Well it actually DID happen, now didn't it? violent crime increased & murder increased (now simply down to parity with 60's)

donP: But, in their defense, they never tire of being wrong and saying it louder the next time, as if that will make something change.

You're the wrong ones, & you need pull those earplugs out.
MORE GUNS, MORE LIES. Donp is proof.

Their fears never really pan out, they sell fear to folks that are ignorant of the facts ileus Apr 2015 #1
I can't imagine what it is to live in fear like that every minute of the day. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #5
Started our 2nd year in Illinois, 124,000 permits and still waiting ... DonP Apr 2015 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author petronius Apr 2015 #3
No blood in calculuz classes either Lurks Often Apr 2015 #4
Wasn't there supposed to be a daily re-enactment... NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #6
The control side is absolutely sure of so many things that just never happen DonP Apr 2015 #7
It isn't just that. beevul Apr 2015 #8
I once used, "small I ignorant" in a post - it got hidden DonP Apr 2015 #9
a gn's false premises jimmy the one Apr 2015 #10
Are those gonzo stats? Straw Man Apr 2015 #11
unrealistic & ridiculous jimmy the one Apr 2015 #13
I lie? That's as obnoxious as it is untrue, Jimmy. Straw Man Apr 2015 #14
ignorable jimmy the one Apr 2015 #16
Ignoble. Straw Man Apr 2015 #17
2 + 2 = 4, a four-gone conclusion jimmy the one Apr 2015 #20
Mixing causation with coincidence again, huh? Straw Man Apr 2015 #21
your inherent weakness jimmy the one Apr 2015 #22
One hardly knows where to begin ... Straw Man Apr 2015 #23
playing stupid? jimmy the one Apr 2015 #24
Ad nauseum, ad absurdum. Straw Man Apr 2015 #28
scrutiny jimmy the one Apr 2015 #30
I'll try to make this very plain for you, Jimmy. Straw Man Apr 2015 #31
Hmm....interesting exchange. blueridge3210 Apr 2015 #32
pac man jimmy the one Apr 2015 #25
You just don't get it, do you? Straw Man Apr 2015 #27
It's absolutely "bigoted and sickening" not to mention a shameful POV DonP Apr 2015 #12
nobody pays attention to jimmy, except, nobodies jimmy the one Apr 2015 #15
Irony. Straw Man Apr 2015 #18
parry to parry jimmy the one Apr 2015 #26
In other words ... Straw Man Apr 2015 #29
A few observations... jeepnstein Apr 2015 #19
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