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Surf Fishing Guru

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14. For Stevens in particular . . .
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 03:48 PM
Apr 2015

For Stevens in particular I have an extra degree of contempt.

It has to do with his unwavering endorsement of penumbral rights, where generalized "privacy" rights have been recognized to exist and how abortion, reproductive and sexual orientation rights are secured . . . but his refusal to recognize that his opinion of the 2nd Amendment clashes with the foundation for penumbral rights.

For those that do not know, privacy rights were recognized to exist in the "emanations" and "penumbras" of the rights expressly enumerated in the Bill of Rights and it also relies on the principle embodied in the 9th Amendment:


&quot The) specific guarantees in the Bill of Rights have penumbras, formed by emanations from those guarantees that help give them life and substance. See Poe v. Ullman, 367 U.S. 497, 516-522 (dissenting opinion).

Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479 (1965)



Stevens has signed onto opinions that have cited and quoted and even quoted himself in opinions he has written, Harlan's famous dissent in Poe v Ullman.

Justice O'Connor, quoted below, expressly elevated Harlan's dissent to the opinion of the Court in a case which Stevens concurred (emphasis added):


"Neither the Bill of Rights nor the specific practices of States at the time of the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment marks the outer limits of the substantive sphere of liberty which the Fourteenth Amendment protects. See U. S. Const., Amend. 9. As the second Justice Harlan recognized:

&quot T)he full scope of the liberty guaranteed by the Due Process Clause cannot be found in or limited by the precise terms of the specific guarantees elsewhere provided in the Constitution. This `liberty' is not a series of isolated points pricked out in terms of the taking of property; the freedom of speech, press, and religion; the right to keep and bear arms; the freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures; and so on. It is a rational continuum which, broadly speaking, includes a freedom from all substantial arbitrary impositions and purposeless restraints, . . . and which also recognizes, what a reasonable and sensitive judgment must, that certain interests require particularly careful scrutiny of the state needs asserted to justify their abridgment."


Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pa. v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833 (1992)


Some questions for discussion:

How does Stevens' interpretation of the 2nd Amendment in Heller mesh with the foundational reasoning of penumbral rights, that the nature of the rights enumerated in the BoR demonstrates a "rational continuum" of individual liberty to be protected from federal (and state) injury?

Can a right that is found to exist in the "emanations" and "penumbras" of the rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights be more respected, more vital and more secure than a right that is actually enumerated in the Bill of Rights?

Can an anti-gunner's hostility for gun rights and dismissal of the Heller Court's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment actually be turned around on Progressives and be used to call into question the legitimacy of securing the rights to abortion and other reproductive choices or even the gains made in LGBT rights?

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Countering the Heller dissent [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2015 OP
Let's take the militia clause as the controllers would prefer -- Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #1
The Militia Act... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2015 #2
Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #4
"Ever male between 18 and 45 needs a metallic Dick." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #5
I don't think he'll be answering. blueridge3210 Apr 2015 #6
Yeah. I saw that. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #7
well regulated and unorganized, explanations thereof jimmy the one Apr 2015 #9
How are unorganizd and well-regulated opposed to each other? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #11
GW & Hamilton, elitist anti rights gun control nazis jimmy the one Apr 2015 #12
correction gejohnston Apr 2015 #13
Where was this straw-man born? discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2015 #16
bogus quote alert; foot in mouth disease rampant jimmy the one Apr 2015 #17
jto: "A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2015 #18
defending the bogus quote jimmy the one Apr 2015 #19
mea culpa; you got me discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2015 #20
George Washington, not so populist jimmy the one Apr 2015 #21
"If it's important enough to put on your timeline, it's important enough to Google." discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2015 #22
When I wrote, "(If you have some....claims Washington meant 'A free people ought not be armed..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2015 #23
Register another vote for selecting the most strained of all possible interpretations discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2015 #10
The heller dissent was pretty bad. beevul Apr 2015 #3
The best way to learn any subject is to attempt to teach someone else about it discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2015 #8
For Stevens in particular . . . Surf Fishing Guru Apr 2015 #14
How can anyone take seriously an opinion inferring a limiting definition of a right... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2015 #15
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