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In reply to the discussion: Barack Obama, "Greatest Gun Salesman in America" [View all]Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)76. You are jumping the shark.
Actually, when you say that all rights are the same and that guns are tools that is exactly the equation that is being made.
No. No one is saying that pens are equivalent to guns. Guns are weapons. Pens are generally not.
The only equivalence they have in this discussion is that our founders found it equally important that the citizens of this nation have the right free speech and the right to keep and bear arms.
Moreover, it is being made for political purpose. I suggest you reconsider the gun culture and its relation to violence.
Yes and no. Guns are pointed out as being tools because people like you consider all violence to be equal and equally bad. People like me understand that violence can also be used for good things and so that means that some violence is good and some violence is bad. This means that a gun can be used to inflict bad violence but can also be used to inflict good violence.
This is why we refer to guns as "tools", because it implies that they are objects that can be used for good things and for bad things.
The only political purpose here is to underscore the fact that guns are not just "tools of violence" with the negative connotation people like you try to paint them with.
I also suggest you ask yourself why if guns are just tools, why hammers aren't regulated.
Because guns are inherently more dangerous a tool than hammers. You'll also notice that there are many tools that are regulated besides guns. CPAP machines, for example. Gasoline pumps, for another.
I would note that generally you can't buy an already sharpened machete or axe off a store-shelf.
OK, I'm guessing you must live in an urban environment? I suggest you stroll down the sporting goods section at your local Walmart, or Home Depot, or Lowes.
Come to your senses, equating skeet shooting with growing orchids just isn't philosophically sound.
I'm not equating them in any way other than to point out that they are both equally valid hobbies.
No. No one is saying that pens are equivalent to guns. Guns are weapons. Pens are generally not.
The only equivalence they have in this discussion is that our founders found it equally important that the citizens of this nation have the right free speech and the right to keep and bear arms.
Moreover, it is being made for political purpose. I suggest you reconsider the gun culture and its relation to violence.
Yes and no. Guns are pointed out as being tools because people like you consider all violence to be equal and equally bad. People like me understand that violence can also be used for good things and so that means that some violence is good and some violence is bad. This means that a gun can be used to inflict bad violence but can also be used to inflict good violence.
This is why we refer to guns as "tools", because it implies that they are objects that can be used for good things and for bad things.
The only political purpose here is to underscore the fact that guns are not just "tools of violence" with the negative connotation people like you try to paint them with.
I also suggest you ask yourself why if guns are just tools, why hammers aren't regulated.
Because guns are inherently more dangerous a tool than hammers. You'll also notice that there are many tools that are regulated besides guns. CPAP machines, for example. Gasoline pumps, for another.
I would note that generally you can't buy an already sharpened machete or axe off a store-shelf.
OK, I'm guessing you must live in an urban environment? I suggest you stroll down the sporting goods section at your local Walmart, or Home Depot, or Lowes.
Come to your senses, equating skeet shooting with growing orchids just isn't philosophically sound.
I'm not equating them in any way other than to point out that they are both equally valid hobbies.
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Republicans and right wingers have been successful in scaring the crap out of Americans...
rfranklin
Feb 2012
#1
"The SCROTUS is going to overturn the 2nd Amendment? The same SCROTUS that gave us "Citizen's United
rl6214
Feb 2012
#23
I read a friends from time to time and laugh at how then NRA scares GOP voters into donating money.
Logical
Feb 2012
#19
Are now saying that working class voters in your neck of the woods are extremists?
aikoaiko
Feb 2012
#118
Could the economy not the president have more to do with the increase in hunting licenses?
Glassunion
Feb 2012
#4
don't go getting logical with this group....pay no attention to the economy behind the curtain
Tuesday Afternoon
Feb 2012
#9
The "we're gonna take our country back . . . .from the Black guy" bunch flooded gun stores in 11/08.
Hoyt
Feb 2012
#6
SD, plinking, competition, hunting, collecting....so many types, all protected by the 2A
ileus
Feb 2012
#27
I recently brought up the subject of the Kel-Tec KSG Shotgun in another thread.
Johnny Rico
Feb 2012
#43
Rather than argue with you about the deleterious effects of your misinterpretation...
ellisonz
Feb 2012
#45
So why not have a single national militia that could come to the aid of all?
Atypical Liberal
Feb 2012
#123
Translation: Your questions are inconvenient to answer because they would undermine my argument.
Johnny Rico
Feb 2012
#46
"Virtually every athletic contest has its origins in those two occupations."
Atypical Liberal
Feb 2012
#73
"There is no way that a firearm can transubstantiate from being a weapon into being a tool"
Callisto32
Feb 2012
#117
Are you also equally against archery, or fencing? Or javelin throwing?
Atypical Liberal
Feb 2012
#62
Then perhaps you are projecting your own violent tendencies on others.
Atypical Liberal
Feb 2012
#90
Now if you'll just acknowledge that people have used weapons for recreation for all time.
Atypical Liberal
Feb 2012
#80
Gun ownership IS a sacred civil right to be taken with seriousness. It can also be a hobby.
Atypical Liberal
Feb 2012
#39
Exactly. You can use a computer to publish (as someone brought up) dirty limericks.
Johnny Rico
Feb 2012
#42