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In reply to the discussion: Barack Obama, "Greatest Gun Salesman in America" [View all]Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)98. But why didn't they just start with a unified force to begin with?
They imaginged that the militia would form a capable fighting force and would unify on it's own.
But why, then, specify specifically that the militias would be made up of men from their respective states and led by officers from their respective states? If the intent was for them to unify into a national militia anyway, why not just start out with a national militia?
Could it be that the intent was for the militias to be beholden to their separate states and not the federal government? I think so.
They were wrong and thus eventually the Militia was separated into the National Guard and the "reserve militia" i.e. draftees. There is nothing in the Constitution of the United States that guarantees you any right to bear all and any type of arms outside of connection with this service.
Remember, the Constitution does not enumerate all rights of the people. All rights not specifically granted to the government are reserved to the states and the people. The people have the enumerated right to keep and bear arms, and they may use those arms in service to a militia. It does not say that they may only use those arms in service to a militia. Thus since their right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed they may use them for any lawful purpose in addition to militia service.
It is further and again ridiculous to believe that a citizen can keep weapons and ammunition in his home and train to be proficient in their use but not use them for any other purpose. At a minimum it would be assumed that these people would hunt with their firearms, since for many people this was the primary way meat was put on the table. Of course it is logical to assume that a man trusted with keeping arms and ammunition for military service could also protect his home.
But why, then, specify specifically that the militias would be made up of men from their respective states and led by officers from their respective states? If the intent was for them to unify into a national militia anyway, why not just start out with a national militia?
Could it be that the intent was for the militias to be beholden to their separate states and not the federal government? I think so.
They were wrong and thus eventually the Militia was separated into the National Guard and the "reserve militia" i.e. draftees. There is nothing in the Constitution of the United States that guarantees you any right to bear all and any type of arms outside of connection with this service.
Remember, the Constitution does not enumerate all rights of the people. All rights not specifically granted to the government are reserved to the states and the people. The people have the enumerated right to keep and bear arms, and they may use those arms in service to a militia. It does not say that they may only use those arms in service to a militia. Thus since their right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed they may use them for any lawful purpose in addition to militia service.
It is further and again ridiculous to believe that a citizen can keep weapons and ammunition in his home and train to be proficient in their use but not use them for any other purpose. At a minimum it would be assumed that these people would hunt with their firearms, since for many people this was the primary way meat was put on the table. Of course it is logical to assume that a man trusted with keeping arms and ammunition for military service could also protect his home.
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Republicans and right wingers have been successful in scaring the crap out of Americans...
rfranklin
Feb 2012
#1
"The SCROTUS is going to overturn the 2nd Amendment? The same SCROTUS that gave us "Citizen's United
rl6214
Feb 2012
#23
I read a friends from time to time and laugh at how then NRA scares GOP voters into donating money.
Logical
Feb 2012
#19
Are now saying that working class voters in your neck of the woods are extremists?
aikoaiko
Feb 2012
#118
Could the economy not the president have more to do with the increase in hunting licenses?
Glassunion
Feb 2012
#4
don't go getting logical with this group....pay no attention to the economy behind the curtain
Tuesday Afternoon
Feb 2012
#9
The "we're gonna take our country back . . . .from the Black guy" bunch flooded gun stores in 11/08.
Hoyt
Feb 2012
#6
SD, plinking, competition, hunting, collecting....so many types, all protected by the 2A
ileus
Feb 2012
#27
I recently brought up the subject of the Kel-Tec KSG Shotgun in another thread.
Johnny Rico
Feb 2012
#43
Rather than argue with you about the deleterious effects of your misinterpretation...
ellisonz
Feb 2012
#45
So why not have a single national militia that could come to the aid of all?
Atypical Liberal
Feb 2012
#123
Translation: Your questions are inconvenient to answer because they would undermine my argument.
Johnny Rico
Feb 2012
#46
"Virtually every athletic contest has its origins in those two occupations."
Atypical Liberal
Feb 2012
#73
"There is no way that a firearm can transubstantiate from being a weapon into being a tool"
Callisto32
Feb 2012
#117
Are you also equally against archery, or fencing? Or javelin throwing?
Atypical Liberal
Feb 2012
#62
Then perhaps you are projecting your own violent tendencies on others.
Atypical Liberal
Feb 2012
#90
Now if you'll just acknowledge that people have used weapons for recreation for all time.
Atypical Liberal
Feb 2012
#80
Gun ownership IS a sacred civil right to be taken with seriousness. It can also be a hobby.
Atypical Liberal
Feb 2012
#39
Exactly. You can use a computer to publish (as someone brought up) dirty limericks.
Johnny Rico
Feb 2012
#42