Gun Control & RKBA

blueridge3210

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110. Nice deflection.

Reply to villager (Reply #95)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 07:21 AM

Jul 2015

The issue was CDC research that validated the number of defensive gun uses (DGU).

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FORMER CNN ANCHOR: ‘NOTHING TO DEBATE,’ HAVING A GUN SAVED MY LIFE [View all] TupperHappy Jul 2015 OP

Ah, linking to Breitbart. "Nothing to debate," indeed. villager Jul 2015 #1

Villager, as you may well know, the only significant power in the gun control outlook... Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #3

Congrats on actually discussing the thing, E38, though of course we profoundly disagree villager Jul 2015 #4

Even the CDC concedes there are 200,000+ SD uses of firearms. I imagine some women are in that Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #6

That must be why Breitbart's beloved GOP congress keeps banning CDC research on guns: villager Jul 2015 #12

No ban on CDC research. It just can't advocate a political stand, which is what it was doing. Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #16

A "political stand" as defined by the GOP and NRA... villager Jul 2015 #35

If you bothered to check the CDC's actual mission statement, "advocacy" is not part of it. Shamash Jul 2015 #40

Glad to see you've internalized the NRA talking points! villager Jul 2015 #63

In what way is the truth an NRA talking point? Shamash Jul 2015 #64

"Fear and funding shortfalls remain at the CDC, even though the agency was ordered to resume firearm villager Jul 2015 #65

Did you miss the 150 page report by the CDC in 2013? Shamash Jul 2015 #67

This is the problem when one shoe horns guns into a public health model... Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #56

Ban on CDC research? The media is suppressing the latest CDC findings....... pablo_marmol Jul 2015 #62

Better rush to tell your GOP/NRA allies then! villager Jul 2015 #85

Ah, the "NRA Boogeyman". blueridge3210 Jul 2015 #91

Um, the first refuge for you and your fellow travelers, inasmuch as you support their position. villager Jul 2015 #92

Um, no. blueridge3210 Jul 2015 #93

They're your allies in this debate, yes? villager Jul 2015 #95

Nice deflection. blueridge3210 Jul 2015 #110

Nice deflection. villager Jul 2015 #122

No deflection. blueridge3210 Jul 2015 #126

Continued deflection. villager Jul 2015 #127

Nope. blueridge3210 Jul 2015 #128

It's not a changed subject when you support the NRA's position. villager Jul 2015 #129

Nope. blueridge3210 Jul 2015 #130

Yup. You're still wrong. villager Jul 2015 #131

Got that well poisoned yet? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #138

Do you ever tire of being wrong? blueridge3210 Jul 2015 #142

Link please. mikeysnot Jul 2015 #151

Massive logic failure. pablo_marmol Jul 2015 #148

Massive presumption villager Jul 2015 #150

How I love it when you spew your infantile/dishonest statements villager! pablo_marmol Jul 2015 #152

When all you have is nothing......hurl falsehoods. pablo_marmol Jul 2015 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author pablo_marmol Jul 2015 #147

In the description of how the encounter began OakCliffDem Jul 2015 #44

How cute. Now the gun lovers are using vile Breitbat as a source! Feel the Bern, 320 million guns Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #2

Are you voting for Bernie? Just curious. Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #7

When do the voting booths close? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #9

Bernie is the gun owners candidate hack89 Jul 2015 #17

Okay everyone, save Fred's post as a bookmark Shamash Jul 2015 #39

Fred is correct rock Jul 2015 #86

Yep, and I'll quote -you- too Shamash Jul 2015 #89

Fred is full of cr*p. Tell us, wise one, why you think that the media is pablo_marmol Jul 2015 #98

Well, you got me on that one rock Jul 2015 #115

Not surprising that you're not informed. pablo_marmol Jul 2015 #146

Done. NT pablo_marmol Jul 2015 #99

I first saw this story on that conservative bastion TeddyR Jul 2015 #76

How does HuffPo work for you wiseguy? This was a *WIDELY* reported incident. pablo_marmol Jul 2015 #108

A link for those who do not believe the sun rises in the east if an unreputable source says it Shamash Jul 2015 #5

Another one for the first two commenters: Genetic fallacy friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #21

Firearms are designed to save/protect lives. ileus Jul 2015 #8

Designed to save/protect lives from those who have guns packman Jul 2015 #10

Oh that's right....I forgot only firearms are used in crimes. ileus Jul 2015 #13

Uh, no. Firearms are designed to kill. villager Jul 2015 #11

Mine were designed and are used to protect life. ileus Jul 2015 #14

Ah, so you do the "no-kill" kind of hunting with your specially designed guns. villager Jul 2015 #15

Nope we harvest with the hunting firearms. ileus Jul 2015 #18

God - that hunting crap packman Jul 2015 #22

We normally try and harvest enough ileus Jul 2015 #23

One wonders if you'll get a reply containing the same venom and bile...directed against fishing. beevul Jul 2015 #25

I just renewed my Va license a few minutes ago. ileus Jul 2015 #27

So this "harvesting" would be "killing" with the guns which are designed for killing efficiently... villager Jul 2015 #36

No not so much... ileus Jul 2015 #43

Ok... so the archery equipment is designed for killing/"harvesting," but guns... aren't? villager Jul 2015 #46

Hunting isn't killing. ileus Jul 2015 #47

The deer's still alive at your table? villager Jul 2015 #66

Mine is alive as the veggies are Shamash Jul 2015 #68

You're the one that needs to bone up on basic definitions. villager Jul 2015 #69

Harvesting kills things, hunting kills things Shamash Jul 2015 #70

Well, you're not a "predator," of course, much as you like to puff yourself up that way villager Jul 2015 #71

And how is their -purpose- relevant to the discussion? Shamash Jul 2015 #72

Well, we're not predators in that there's no purpose in an ecological niche for our imbalanced villager Jul 2015 #73

In that case Shamash Jul 2015 #74

But guns were made to be efficient killing machines. ARPAnet could be applied to other purposes. villager Jul 2015 #75

You're dodging the question again Shamash Jul 2015 #83

Actually, *you* are dodging the question. villager Jul 2015 #84

You have me mistaken for someone else Shamash Jul 2015 #87

That's why I choose not to support industrialized meat production. villager Jul 2015 #88

A deer lasts a while. Plenty of time to insult the clueless. And you still dodge the question. n/t Shamash Jul 2015 #90

Ah well, at least you're not even *pretending* to have any competency for conversation now. villager Jul 2015 #104

Harvesting surplus deer population blueridge3210 Jul 2015 #111

If putting me on ignore helps you dodge answering genuine questions on the issue Shamash Jul 2015 #113

Well, blueridge3210 Jul 2015 #114

My guns are applied to competitive target shooting hack89 Jul 2015 #141

Where I live deer are overpopulated Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #30

If only people could learn to be more in tune with nature. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #33

I will take a wilderness full of wolves and bears, thanks, rather than your knuckleheaded brethren villager Jul 2015 #77

Bears and wolves will kill on impulse. Humans have the ability to choose their actions. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #96

You funny. So humans with guns are better for wilderness than bears and wolves, eh? villager Jul 2015 #97

As I stated, quite factually, humans get to choose their actions. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #100

So, again, you're saying: wolves and bears are "bad," and gun owners are "good." villager Jul 2015 #103

"...wolves and bears are "bad..."? Please. Is a wolf "bad" when he takes down a dear? jonno99 Jul 2015 #105

That's a pretty lame straw man argument. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #107

Uh, no. Though your "self-control" meme is kind of an interesting one for a proliferationist. villager Jul 2015 #124

You seem determined to deliberately misstate my arguments even after you've been corrected. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #145

Ok. Good start. Then please figure out the rest of my argument. villager Jul 2015 #149

They don't exist anymore JonGeb Jul 2015 #102

How many people were killed during the shooting events at the last Olympics? Shamash Jul 2015 #20

30,000??? at least that's what I'm always told so it must be true. ileus Jul 2015 #24

Lord, what a Non Sequitur packman Jul 2015 #42

I'm not the fool making blanket statements on what a gun is designed for Shamash Jul 2015 #45

That isn't the Olympics gejohnston Jul 2015 #48

What's wrong with killing rapists, murderers, robbers and other assorted violent criminals? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #19

What's wrong with keeping guns out of their hands? villager Jul 2015 #38

Less than 6% of rapists use a gun. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #41

So you're for introducing guns into the equation in the remaining 94% of the situations? villager Jul 2015 #121

Oh, pity the poor rapist who finds himself confronted by an armed victim. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #123

Nice strawman. villager Jul 2015 #125

because pepper spray often does not work gejohnston Jul 2015 #132

So -- a waved gun in a panic situation will always end better than using pepper spray? villager Jul 2015 #133

"will always end better than using pepper spray?" Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #135

Well, it figures you have unquestioning trust in who cops are shooting these days villager Jul 2015 #154

"it figures you have unquestioning trust in who cops are shooting these days" Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #156

No, although you did call me a misogynist, so you do have a fondness for "conflation" villager Jul 2015 #157

So far in this thread, you've used 'poisoning the well', the associational fallacy, and... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #158

Friendly, though you make sense in other threads, you never do in gun threads villager Jul 2015 #159

The gibes of the politically ineffectual carry little to no sting friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #160

I use terms like Controller and Grabber because gun control is about control. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #161

simply pointing out a fact gejohnston Jul 2015 #136

the old west situation is posited by you villager Jul 2015 #155

such duels didn't happen either gejohnston Jul 2015 #162

Wow, sexist much? Telcontar Jul 2015 #153

It's not a straw man if you, in fact, refuse to acknowledge the right to self defense. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #134

By all means, keep the guns out of their hands... beevul Jul 2015 #120

Uh, no, GGJohn Jul 2015 #49

My hats off to her bluestateguy Jul 2015 #26

Military style automatic weapons have been banned since 1986. Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #31

I'm astounded that anyone could have a problem with this post tularetom Jul 2015 #28

Breitbart, Fox and guns...makes sense randys1 Jul 2015 #29

LOL - you mean before Breitbart & Fox existed (or the NRA for that matter), jonno99 Jul 2015 #78

The question you regurgitate about women is from the vile NRA! But you already knew that. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #80

"NRA Talking Point" blueridge3210 Jul 2015 #81

This OP has nothing to do with the NRA. This woman & her husband were attacked. jonno99 Jul 2015 #82

wow the obvious is always ignored by the gun lovers bowens43 Jul 2015 #32

Are you asserting nobody ever commits a crime unless they have a gun? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #34

And how exactly do you propose to get criminals to adhere to this ban? Shamash Jul 2015 #37

That member will never answer you GGJohn Jul 2015 #50

...^ that 840high Jul 2015 #53

Bad source. I dont doubt some have gotten themselves out of a jam by having a weapon but Breitbart Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #51

how about this one? gejohnston Jul 2015 #52

We need someone to step up and help to prevent the Roof's from having guns in their possession. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #54

I wish I had a solution, gejohnston Jul 2015 #55

Solution is found in Australia. In Canada. All over. Not complicated. But you already knew that. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #116

We're all still waiting breathlessly to hear what you are doing to make any of that happen DonP Jul 2015 #117

I'll be blunt-most gun control advocates *are* slacktivist keyboard commandos friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #140

This is my most recent attempt discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #57

I know we have plenty of knowledgeable and capable gun owners who belong to gun groups who could Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #58

for gangs it is simple gejohnston Jul 2015 #59

Drugs war = bizarre rabbit hole of insanity discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #60

Some positive ideas: discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #61

oh my! Kali Jul 2015 #79

Imagine if the robber had not been able to get a gun in the first place. SheilaT Jul 2015 #101

He was much larger and stronger, gejohnston Jul 2015 #106

Imagine Prohibition actually working. pablo_marmol Jul 2015 #109

Here's a thought, imagine dealing with the reality of what really happened? DonP Jul 2015 #112

Just like Dylan Roof would not have had a gun if there was just a longer waiting period or more resources. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #118

Horse Apples. blueridge3210 Jul 2015 #119

You'll have to forgive ol' Fred. He can't hear you. He's put democracy on Ignore. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #137

"He's put democracy on Ignore." <golf clap> friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #139

Yup. blueridge3210 Jul 2015 #144

A gun doing what it was designed to do....Save Lives...Who'd ah thunk it. ileus Jul 2015 #143